Your're right, I went too far. I've changed my post . Sorry.
P.S. Don't assume I'm an athiest. I meant to criticize a certain mentality, not Christianity or Christian beliefs in general.
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Dude, that was seriously uncalled for
A kind and peaceful Christian is better than a snide and mocking atheist any day, and vice versa
That's the best you can think of ??? Dude!! Come on, this is really now talking out of the a$$. The reason I posted the question in the "philosophy" section is because I assumed participants here provide at least one level of argument for why they think a specific way. Please consider posting your feelings somewhere else, or give them some rational meat.
I'm sorry, but with all due respect, I have no reason why I should trust your life and wisdom from it.
There are plenty of crackpots here with original theories. How do I know you're not one of them?
I relied on my intuitive statistical inference - I never met a gay man who would be saying things you do.
If you are gay, you're a unique and interesting case indeed.
I still don't get it. Are you telling me that my sexual preference is different from my lust or curiosity?
I have an honest question to all people who consciously chose to be Christians but who don't believe that some of us didn't choose to be gay. I'm sorry, I didn't realize there were already so many posts on homosexuality, but I was always wondering.....
You chose to believe somebody's testimony from over 2000 years ago of something that is unheard of, from somebody you never met and never talked to. And yet, when I tell you in person (among thousands of others like me) that I did not choose to be gay, you don't believe me.
I don't understand this rationality. I mean a rational person assigns credence to a belief that has more likelyhood, right? What is more likely to you, a second hand story from a few folks that a dead person became alive again (something physically impossible to the best of our knowledge) or first hand information about somebody's conscious choice of their sexual preference? I understand some things have to be taken by faith, without such rationality. Then why can't you take by faith what I tell you about my choice? How did the gospels (and who wrote them) establish credibilty a priori, the priviledge I seem to be denied? Please explain.
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I think too many people assume that scripture infallible, and so assume any evidence that contradicts it to be wrong a priori. If you take this view you're basically saying that your experience and observation of the real world is less valid than statements someone wrote down 2000 years ago. There's no way to check if you're wrong or adjust to experience and observation because you're already assuming that scripture is true no matter what.
Simply, many people believe they chose to be heterosexual. Therefore, believing you requires them to go against their internal belief. But for whatever reason, believing the testimony of a 2000 year old man does not go against their internal beliefs.
I was trying here, ok. Finding objective, rational purposes is a little bit tough for me. It basically boils down to the fact that gay couples do not produce children. If I'm missing something obvious, point it out.
Sexuality and sexual orientation are in themselves 2 distinct concepts.
Sexuality is actually who you sleep with, like a history.
Sexual orientation is who you like to sleep with.
A "gay" or "straight" person is who they like to and actually sleep with.
Experiments simply add to the history, not confirm/dispell their orientation.
If you like to think of sleeping with men, but havn't done so, I would not call you gay simply on that. Same with thinking of girls.
If you act on your feelings toward sleeping with men, and found pleasure in it, you will have a homosexual sexual history, and thus be "gay".
Sexual orientation does NOT imply sexual behavior.
Virgins still have an orientation, but don't know sexuality until they actually get the experience.
Sexuality needs experience. Feelings don't.
Why not? It is a perfectly valid excuse. Both of my parents are gay. They were raised in rural, Christian households where homosexuality was frowned upon, to say the least. My dad received a Master's degree in theology from a Baptist seminary. They both knew they were different from an early age and struggled with it for a few decades in the attempt to be 'normal'. Peer acceptance and the desire to not be an outcast is a pretty strong drive in most people.Sure it's fair.
But answer me this:
If homosexuality is an inborn trait, how could a gay person live a somewhat normal family life- get married, have kids, and only come out at 40 or 50? Wouldn't there be some sign in their lives up to 'coming out' in middle age?
I see some people where ya see them and know. Right away, and without question. They have their lives set apart immediately. These ones ususally understand this early on and come out as a teen, but yet some others don't discover their 'true' sexuality until much later.
Why the difference?
And please don't use the 'society condemns it' excuse.
Why not? It is a perfectly valid excuse. Both of my parents are gay. They were raised in rural, Christian households where homosexuality was frowned upon, to say the least. My dad received a Master's degree in theology from a Baptist seminary. They both knew they were different from an early age and struggled with it for a few decades in the attempt to be 'normal'. Peer acceptance and the desire to not be an outcast is a pretty strong drive in most people.
As far as those people realizing their sexuality, it's a matter of denial and supression in most cases. They would on one level know that something was different, but would look the other way or not look deeper into it and then try to rationalize it. In this society, you assume you're straight untill you fully realize you're not. It's different for everyone. It' all apart of growing and self-discovery.I would like to ask, are you speaking of just coming out, or of them realizing they were gay. I can understand that the social stigma can make one 'come out' until later in life (or at all), but I do not think that excuse will work concerning if they realize how they themselves are.
I understand where the confusion may lie. You must realize that to even admit to yourself that you are gay takes quite a bit of mental and emotional fortitude. You are acknowledging that you are different from around 90% of the rest of the population on a fundamental level.I would like to ask, are you speaking of just coming out, or of them realizing they were gay. I can understand that the social stigma can make one 'come out' until later in life (or at all), but I do not think that excuse will work concerning if they realize how they themselves are.
Sure it's fair.
But answer me this:
If homosexuality is an inborn trait, how could a gay person live a somewhat normal family life- get married, have kids, and only come out at 40 or 50? Wouldn't there be some sign in their lives up to 'coming out' in middle age?
I see some people where ya see them and know. Right away, and without question. They have their lives set apart immediately. These ones ususally understand this early on and come out as a teen, but yet some others don't discover their 'true' sexuality until much later.
Why the difference?
And please don't use the 'society condemns it' excuse.
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