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Why have laws criminalising puppy abuse then? If someone want to drown a puppy they're going to do it anyway.
That's unfair. Abortion is a women's rights issue, no matter which way you look at it. And there are plenty of feminist organisations lobbying against the selective abortions that take place (mostly) in India and China.
That's unfair. Abortion is a women's rights issue, no matter which way you look at it. And there are plenty of feminist organisations lobbying against the selective abortions that take place (mostly) in India and China.
Alright, I'll say it one more time and then I'm bowing out of this thread because I've got nothing to add:
You CANNOT criminalise abortion unless there is enough support because that won't stop abortion.
Anyone who is serious about abortion needs to realise this.
That's because abortion involves moral complexities for most people that don't exist for Catholics. Not all people are Catholic and therefore you can't just brush these complexities aside with 'it's babykilling'.
You can't compare it to killing a puppy for reasons that you as well as I understand, so I won't do any of us the injustice of prentending you are stupid enough to need them typed out.
That's unfair. Abortion is a women's rights issue, no matter which way you look at it. And there are plenty of feminist organisations lobbying against the selective abortions that take place (mostly) in India and China.
When you hinge your arguments on apealing to emotions you will lose every time.
Alright, I'll say it one more time and then I'm bowing out of this thread because I've got nothing to add:
You CANNOT criminalise abortion unless there is enough support.
What a cop out...
Another massive cop out.It isn't a cop-out.
She is saying this: if a government makes a law that a huge section of the population is going to break anyway (even if they have to get creative), then is the law really effective?
Only if the cultural mindset shifts to one that sees the horror of abortion will a law banning abortion be truly effective.
So what do we do? Help shift that mindset.
And I understand that. But the drive to educate and to make it criminal are not exclusive. They can be done at the same time. That is my point.
But the drive to educate and to make it criminal are not exclusive. They can be done at the same time.
It isn't a cop-out.
She is saying this: if a government makes a law that a huge section of the population is going to break anyway (even if they have to get creative), then is the law really effective?
Only if the cultural mindset shifts to one that sees the horror of abortion will a law banning abortion be truly effective.
So what do we do? Help shift that mindset.
Gwen, what's going on here? If you're just playing devil's advocate then please say so because right now I am.... I don't know. I'm at a loss for words.
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