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Hi Just thought I would asked a question and see what people think about it.

Have been reading the Bible once again and reading and trying to take in the rapture at the end of time.

What I find hard to understand is that Jesus will call his own back to him and those that will be called at that time will not have to die. Ok so those people are blessed and dont have to go through death this is cool. What I have trouble with is those that are life behind that dont belong to Jesus as they have not come to the LOrd will be left behind to suffer all of the end times and what it brings till Jusus returns to take control of this world.. Where my question and lack of understanding is what about Children and babies or even adults that dont not hear about Christ and the way to ever after life, is it just that these humans have to suffer so much because they where born at a time that they didnt have a chance to grow and understnad and work out life for themself ( in these I mean young children) It just doent seem like love to me.

So if anyone can help me or open my eyes please do thanks

God bless
 

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I agree that the teachings of premillenialism are incorrect and no event like you have described called a rapture will occur. According to 1 Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5 there will a day of the Lord as Photini has said when the dead in Christ shall rise and all who are Christians will ascend to be in Heaven with the Lord for all times. There is no mention of a rapture anywhere as far as I can tell.
 
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Ithes 1:10 .........even Jesus which delivered us from the wrath to come

1thes 4:13 But I would not have you be ignorant, brethren concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope

1 thes 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ


some people like to say the rapture is the second coming however during the Rapture Christ never sets foot on earth but meets us in the heavens
Rapture.............1Thes 4:16-17
2nd coming........ Rev 19:11-21, matt 24:16-30

To under stand God you need to study the Character of God and the Mysterys that are talks about vaguely in 1Cor 13:2, the will of God

if you want more info I can get it for you .....email me
 
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What St Paul is addressing is the Thessalonians concern about those who have already reposed in the Lord. He answers them they will be caught up with the Lord when He comes with Power and Great Glory. He says nothing and indicates nothing of a third coming which is what Darby and Scofield preach.
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Jesus Himself said: "My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one." (John 17:15)

This prayer is not for the Apostles alone, but for all who come to know the Gospel through them (v. 20).

In fact, does Jesus not already echo this sentiment in Matthew 24:9?:

"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me."

NO WHERE does Jesus say His Church will be spared from persecution in the end-times. The Rapture is a farce, a man-made heresy!

Apart from this, there is simply no Scripture (other than through twisting the meaning) which supports "three" comings of Christ.

Heb. 9:24 tells us, that "Christ will appear only a second time, when he comes in glory to save us." See also Rev. 19:11-16. The Scriptures only reveal two comings of Christ.

If you are a Bible-believing Christian, you cannot believe the Rapture!

The money-making scheme of Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, and their brood finds its origins in 1830:

"[when] a Scottish visionary, who belonged to a sect known as the Irvingites, claimed while in a trance that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the "pre-tribulational" view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C.I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible, which was widely distributed in England and America. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically accepted what its footnotes said and adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history."
(Karl Keating, "Catholic Answers")

Many people try to say Paul preached about the Rapture in 1 Thess. 4:17 - Paul writes that "we will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." Many Protestants call this experience the "rapture" (even though the word "rapture" is not found in the Bible, it comes from the Latin Vulgate, where "caught up" is translated as "rapiemur" which has the same root). This theory says that Christ will take the faithful up to heaven before the final coming. But the "Rapture" preached in most fundamentalist churches today is FAR from what the Bible describes:

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." (v. 16)

Now, this verse HARDLY matches the "secret disappearance" theory the fundamentalists with their man-made doctrine have been trying to espouse. Sounds like a big, noisy, gala affair!

Now, LaHaye and other false prophets have tried to say, "Well, only the believers can hear all this going on." Oh really? Care to provide any scriptural proof?

For JESUS SAID: ""At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. THEY WILL SEE the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." (Matthew 24:30-31)

Clearly, this is a VISIBLE event...

Now, what about Matthew 24:40-41? Don't these verses support the Rapture: "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left."

NO, they do NOT. For Jesus is describing His SECOND COMING, and the end of the world... But READ and UNDERSTAND the words of the Lord, my brethren:

"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." (Matt. 24:27-39)

Remember that those who were "LEFT BEHIND" in the days of Noah were the RIGHTEOUS -- Noah and his family!!!! As you see in verse 39 of Matthew 24, those whom the Lord "took away" are those who PERISHED!!!

So rather than believe in the teachings of FALSE PROPHETS (Matt 24:11; 2 Peter 2:1; 1 John 4:1) who are making millions on books and movies, believe only the WORD OF GOD, the source of our LIFE!

Amen.
 
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jeffthefinn said:
What St Paul is addressing is the Thessalonians concern about those who have already reposed in the Lord. He answers them they will be caught up with the Lord when He comes with Power and Great Glory. He says nothing and indicates nothing of a third coming which is what Darby and Scofield preach.
Jeff the Finn


1st coming Jesus...the lamb..... died on Cross on earth
Rapture ....we meet him in the heavens not earth....
2nd coming jesus thee king kills all unbelievers on earth
 
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