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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 74736067" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>Many of the drug laws racist intent...and in some cases, the authors of such policies didn't even hide it.</p><p></p><p>Nixon's own domestic policy advisor had this to say:</p><p></p><p><em>“You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or blacks, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>This link also has an interesting take on the matter:</p><p><a href="https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/crack-vrs-powder-cocaine-one-drug-two-penalties.htm" target="_blank">Crack vrs. Powder Cocaine: One Drug, Two Penalties</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.complex.com/life/2016/09/blue-lives-matter-bill" target="_blank">Why Blue Lives Matter Is Just as Dangerous as White Lives Matter</a></p><p></p><p><em>The growing political support for White Lives Matters and Blues Lives Matter has ironically occurred in a period in which the deaths of police officers in the line duty are <a href="https://www.odmp.org/search/year" target="_blank">down 8% in 2016</a> compared to previous years. In fact— contrary to criticisms that Black Lives Matter incites violence against cops and what critics perceive as U.S. President Barack Obama's lack of support for law enforcement—police fatalities incurred in the line of duty between 2009 and 2015 are at the <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/09/police-are-safer-under-obama-than-they-have-been-in-decades/" target="_blank">lowest levels</a> in more than 30 years. Data collected on police fatalities simply does not show a growing crisis of mortal attacks on law enforcement.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The cooptation of the phrase "Black Lives Matter" for Blue Lives Matter and White Lives Matter by those opposing the Movement for Black Lives and by a national organization of police officers and their supporters epitomizes a willful ignorance about racist policing. Using the “Lives Matter” formulation rallies people wedded to the idea that police are under attack in an unprecedented way.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, and when that process fails repeatedly, people lose faith in that process and seek accountability via legislative means rather than judicial/executive ones.</p><p></p><p>The "we investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrong doing" by the departments themselves hasn't shown to be particularly effective.</p><p></p><p>The court angle hasn't been very effective (it's the same system that found Brailsford innocent after executing an unarmed man who was on all 4's crying <em>please don't shoot</em> while outnumbered by armed cops 3-to-1), and then allowed the police force to re-hire him for 20 days, just so they could grant him a medical discharge so he could get his pension.</p><p></p><p>Look at the number of times when a judge clears the officer in a criminal case, then weeks later, a civil suit is filed and the police force was found to be guilty of wrongdoing, then it's taxpayers who get to pay for it when the city settles with the family.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Anecdotes are not evidence, obviously, but based on the feedback I've heard from my family members in the profession, if you're a cop and get pulled over and are "a little tipsy", as long as you're not completely wasted, the normal operating procedure is to give "professional courtesy". There are news stories that cover such events occurring as well.</p><p></p><p>You can even look at documented statements from officers on the matter from interviews:</p><p>This is from a pro-police publication that interviews officers and gauges attitudes on a wide variety of topics (sort of like a gallup poll for cops)</p><p><img src="https://media.cdn.lexipol.com/offdutyticketpoll1.jpg?w=300&format=jpg&quality=87" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><em>“I feel there are two things to consider: 1. An off-duty officer will help you if he is driving by and you need help. 2. We should treat our brother/sister officers like we want to be treated. If we would want professional courtesy when we get pulled over then we should pay the same respect back. The bottom line: we should not be giving other cops tickets, period.”</em></p><p><em>— Officer Anthony Signore, Redding (Conn.) Police Dept.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>“I'm a Sgt. with my department with 18 years of service. Normally, I do not give other officers traffic tickets, but I have done so in the past.”</em></p><p><em><em>— Sgt. Guy Finney, La Coste (Texas) Police Dept.</em></em></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>“Law enforcement officers need to stick together, now more than ever! Petty nonsense like writing other cops is ridiculous and it should be taught in all police academies that you don’t write [up] cops!”</em></p><p><em>— Detective Gary Olivier, Rye (N.Y.) Police Dept.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>“I’ve got more important things to do than cite a fellow officer. I haven’t found a need to do so in 37 years on the job.”</em></p><p><em><em>— Sgt. Brian Stover</em></em></p><p><em><em></em></em></p><p><em><em>“I thought ‘blue was blue’ but it appears from the poll that isn't the case anymore! Glad I'm retired after 31 years in LE. The job isn't the brotherhood it used to be.”</em></em></p><p><em><em><em>— Ken Frisbie, Retired from Chicopee (Mass.) Police Dept. since Sept. 2003</em></em></em></p><p><em><em></em></em></p><p><em>“Sorry, but to the officers that issue citations to other officers, I have to say: If you’re on a traffic stop and you’re getting your butt kicked, you had better pray an off-duty officer is driving by. We need to take care of each other because the general public is most likely not going to.”</em></p><p><em>— Officer Mike Ely, Aurora (Ill.) Police Dept.</em></p><p></p><p>Do these kinds of statements (combined with 38% officers responding opening saying "no, I don't ticket other officers, and over half saying it depends") give you a lot of confidence?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 74736067, member: 123415"] Many of the drug laws racist intent...and in some cases, the authors of such policies didn't even hide it. Nixon's own domestic policy advisor had this to say: [I]“You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or blacks, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”[/I] This link also has an interesting take on the matter: [URL="https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/crack-vrs-powder-cocaine-one-drug-two-penalties.htm"]Crack vrs. Powder Cocaine: One Drug, Two Penalties[/URL] [URL="https://www.complex.com/life/2016/09/blue-lives-matter-bill"]Why Blue Lives Matter Is Just as Dangerous as White Lives Matter[/URL] [I]The growing political support for White Lives Matters and Blues Lives Matter has ironically occurred in a period in which the deaths of police officers in the line duty are [URL='https://www.odmp.org/search/year']down 8% in 2016[/URL] compared to previous years. In fact— contrary to criticisms that Black Lives Matter incites violence against cops and what critics perceive as U.S. President Barack Obama's lack of support for law enforcement—police fatalities incurred in the line of duty between 2009 and 2015 are at the [URL='https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/09/police-are-safer-under-obama-than-they-have-been-in-decades/']lowest levels[/URL] in more than 30 years. Data collected on police fatalities simply does not show a growing crisis of mortal attacks on law enforcement. The cooptation of the phrase "Black Lives Matter" for Blue Lives Matter and White Lives Matter by those opposing the Movement for Black Lives and by a national organization of police officers and their supporters epitomizes a willful ignorance about racist policing. Using the “Lives Matter” formulation rallies people wedded to the idea that police are under attack in an unprecedented way.[/I] Yes, and when that process fails repeatedly, people lose faith in that process and seek accountability via legislative means rather than judicial/executive ones. The "we investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrong doing" by the departments themselves hasn't shown to be particularly effective. The court angle hasn't been very effective (it's the same system that found Brailsford innocent after executing an unarmed man who was on all 4's crying [I]please don't shoot[/I] while outnumbered by armed cops 3-to-1), and then allowed the police force to re-hire him for 20 days, just so they could grant him a medical discharge so he could get his pension. Look at the number of times when a judge clears the officer in a criminal case, then weeks later, a civil suit is filed and the police force was found to be guilty of wrongdoing, then it's taxpayers who get to pay for it when the city settles with the family. Anecdotes are not evidence, obviously, but based on the feedback I've heard from my family members in the profession, if you're a cop and get pulled over and are "a little tipsy", as long as you're not completely wasted, the normal operating procedure is to give "professional courtesy". There are news stories that cover such events occurring as well. You can even look at documented statements from officers on the matter from interviews: This is from a pro-police publication that interviews officers and gauges attitudes on a wide variety of topics (sort of like a gallup poll for cops) [IMG]https://media.cdn.lexipol.com/offdutyticketpoll1.jpg?w=300&format=jpg&quality=87[/IMG] [I]“I feel there are two things to consider: 1. An off-duty officer will help you if he is driving by and you need help. 2. We should treat our brother/sister officers like we want to be treated. If we would want professional courtesy when we get pulled over then we should pay the same respect back. The bottom line: we should not be giving other cops tickets, period.”[/I] [I]— Officer Anthony Signore, Redding (Conn.) Police Dept.[/I] [I] “I'm a Sgt. with my department with 18 years of service. Normally, I do not give other officers traffic tickets, but I have done so in the past.” [I]— Sgt. Guy Finney, La Coste (Texas) Police Dept.[/I][/I] [I]“Law enforcement officers need to stick together, now more than ever! Petty nonsense like writing other cops is ridiculous and it should be taught in all police academies that you don’t write [up] cops!”[/I] [I]— Detective Gary Olivier, Rye (N.Y.) Police Dept.[/I] [I] “I’ve got more important things to do than cite a fellow officer. I haven’t found a need to do so in 37 years on the job.” [I]— Sgt. Brian Stover[/I] [I] “I thought ‘blue was blue’ but it appears from the poll that isn't the case anymore! Glad I'm retired after 31 years in LE. The job isn't the brotherhood it used to be.” [I]— Ken Frisbie, Retired from Chicopee (Mass.) Police Dept. since Sept. 2003[/I] [/I] “Sorry, but to the officers that issue citations to other officers, I have to say: If you’re on a traffic stop and you’re getting your butt kicked, you had better pray an off-duty officer is driving by. We need to take care of each other because the general public is most likely not going to.”[/I] [I]— Officer Mike Ely, Aurora (Ill.) Police Dept.[/I] Do these kinds of statements (combined with 38% officers responding opening saying "no, I don't ticket other officers, and over half saying it depends") give you a lot of confidence? [/QUOTE]
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