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A quick look at the Scriptures shows us that the age of 30 was considered an age of maturity for teaching, leadership, and respect. No less than seven times in Numbers chapter four (vv. 3, 23, 30, 35, 39, 43, 47) the Law states:
" ... from thirty years and upward even to fifty years old, everyone who entered the service for work in the tent of meeting."
The wording varies only by tense in each of those verses in chapter four. It is reiterated in I Chronicles 23:3 when a census of the Levites age 30 and above was conducted. It is further noted in II Chronicles 31:16 that the portions of the offerings allotted the priests and Levites were distributed through the heads of families aged 30 and above. Obviously, a significance of maturity, accountability, and a level of trust was placed on Israeli men once they achieved the age of 30. It is of further significance, I believe, that recent studies of male psychological and emotional development place true maturity among men at age 26-28. God knew that long before man figured it out.
Additionally, Joseph, who was a type for Christ, King David, and even King Saul all "came of age" at 30. Joseph " ... was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh, king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh and went through all the land of Egypt ..." as prime minister. Saul and David both began their reigns at age 30 (I Samuel 13:1, 2 Samuel 5:4). Clearly, from abject adherence to the Law and the Writings by Jewish society, had Jesus attempted to minister before age 30, He would have been rejected as immature and unqualified.
I believe that is your answer.
History and Scripture and Logic? He wont know what to do.
A quick look at the Scriptures shows us that the age of 30 was considered an age of maturity for teaching, leadership, and respect. No less than seven times in Numbers chapter four (vv. 3, 23, 30, 35, 39, 43, 47) the Law states:
" ... from thirty years and upward even to fifty years old, everyone who entered the service for work in the tent of meeting."
The wording varies only by tense in each of those verses in chapter four. It is reiterated in I Chronicles 23:3 when a census of the Levites age 30 and above was conducted. It is further noted in II Chronicles 31:16 that the portions of the offerings allotted the priests and Levites were distributed through the heads of families aged 30 and above. Obviously, a significance of maturity, accountability, and a level of trust was placed on Israeli men once they achieved the age of 30. It is of further significance, I believe, that recent studies of male psychological and emotional development place true maturity among men at age 26-28. God knew that long before man figured it out.
Additionally, Joseph, who was a type for Christ, King David, and even King Saul all "came of age" at 30. Joseph " ... was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh, king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh and went through all the land of Egypt ..." as prime minister. Saul and David both began their reigns at age 30 (I Samuel 13:1, 2 Samuel 5:4). Clearly, from abject adherence to the Law and the Writings by Jewish society, had Jesus attempted to minister before age 30, He would have been rejected as immature and unqualified.
I believe that is your answer.
Bingo, Great work
what was the first question you asked?
You really should be posting, because you know so much about what going on? Genius
But don't post unless you going to give proof of your convictions.
Ok, I don't have time to read the whole thread, and I don't have time for a proper post, but I will say this much.... The Gospel of Luke is the only one to mention Jesus' Age and it says "Now Jesus was about 30 years of age when he begin his ministry" that about 30 means He could be anywhere from 27-35 while still being in that range of 30-something, tradition not the Scriptures say it was exactly 30, and if it was 32 as Princeton Guy says, or if it was 27 or even 33 when He Began is irrelevant compared to Who He was/is and what He Taught us and did. He showed us in the Sermon on the Mount how sinful we are, and condemns our sins, specifically the self-righteous religious zealots of the day.... and that He and He alone was the propitiation for our sins....
Some people like to get hung up on meaningless details, when they should focus on the bigger picture.... Focusing on Jesus age like this, is like looking at Da Vinci's Last Supper and analyzing only the Apostle John(supposedly a rival bishop) and Judas(supposedly Da Vinci) instead of seeing the whole picture for it's significance....
If Jesus was only 30 years old in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar (Luke 3:1), Herod, the King of Judea, died at least two years before Jesus was born. Should we believe Matthew, Mark, and Luke who explicitly write that he was still alive and reigning as the King of Judea, or should we believe you?
You know as I, that the dates back then change as the wind. I am not going to argue with you because you haven't proven anything. However your conclusion just likes 2 yr. being the same as mine. So brother you have your belief and I have mine.
Does your math include a year 0? or is it year 1 to 1 no 0? That would throw your math up a year..... and Jesus starting his Ministry at 33.... of course, that's the whole math thingy, and I admit I don't do good at that....so I could be confused.... again, still not a big deal, and still in the "about 30" range
I believe that it is a good idea to read a post before giving ones endorsement to it and writing Bingo, Great work.
The ministry of Jesus was unique, and to compare it to the service of Levites and the reign of kings is more than stretching things. Jesus was not a Levite (He, like David, was of the tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5), and the ordinances pertaining to the Levites did not apply to Him. And during his ministry years, he did not reign as a king; he served as a servant.
Further considering the Greek text of Luke 3:23 we see that Luke does NOT state that Jesus was 30 years old; Luke wrote that Jesus was about thirty years old (ὡσεὶ ἐτῶν τριάκοντα, i.e., he may have been (according to this verse) a few years younger or a few years older.
As for IisJustMe's statement, Saul and David both began their reigns at age 30 (I Samuel 13:1, 2 Samuel 5:4), the Hebrew text of I Samuel 13:1 has a gap in the text and the age is not given. And, since Saul already had a son, Jonathan, who commanded a division of the army in the very first years of his reign, and therefore must have been at least twenty years of age, if not older, Saul himself cannot have been less than forty years old when he began to reign. (Keil and Delitzsch, Commentary on the Old Testament). And, of course, the age of David when he began to reign is of no significance to the question before us.
You don't get it and probably never will. The word of God is hid from the proud and prudent, by way of its simplicity. The Church is patterned after the Leviticus priesthood and even if it wasn't Jesus would have had to be at least 30 Yr. old to be accepted as a prophet by the Jews.
I am perfectly happy with Lukes about 30 yr. old, as already been stated that could mean from about 27-33. I take it as He being 30 yrs. old. You are trying to prove something that is improvable, except by what Luke says, as far as I am concerned.
You would be a lot better off trying to understand why He needed to be at least 30 yr. old.
You don't get it and probably never will. The word of God is hid from the proud and prudent, by way of its simplicity. The Church is patterned after the Leviticus priesthood and even if it wasn't Jesus would have had to be at least 30 Yr. old to be accepted as a prophet by the Jews.
I am perfectly happy with Lukes about 30 yr. old, as already been stated that could mean from about 27-33. I take it as He being 30 yrs. old. You are trying to prove something that is improvable, except by what Luke says, as far as I am concerned.
You would be a lot better off trying to understand why He needed to be at least 30 yr. old.
It's a great question. A leader is one that has followers. A leader is not one that has only knowledge, the basic bottom line; a leader has followers. Even Jesus example is one that rejects the "lone ranger" Christian concept that is so present today. Jesus bagan his ministry with: "Follow me". In the culture of Jesus time, age 30 was the earilest possible time to start His ministry.
Wow, so you agree he could be younger or older than 30, but cling to him being 30 for the sake of clinging to him being 30? And just a little Side not, Jesus was rejected by the jews, so him being 30 isnt a big thing. And the Church is not patterned after the Levitcal Priesthood. Not the early church.
If Luke had believed that Jesus was 30 years old when he began his ministry and that this fact was of Biblical importance, he most certainly would not have casually written, αὐτὸςἦν᾿Ιησοῦςὡσεὶ ἐτῶντριάκονταἀρχόμενος (When he began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, NASB, 1995).
And, by the way, Jesus was NOT accepted as a true prophet by the Jewish people. Indeed, Luke records them as crying out, "Crucify, crucify Him!"
It is a well-documented established fact that, if the relevant information given to us in the synoptic gospels is correct, Jesus was at least 32 years old when he was baptized by John the Baptist. The significance of this fact can be debated, but the fact itself cannot be debated. 28 + 4 CANNOT be less than 32. The date of 28 A.D. is absolutely certain; the date of 4 B.C. could possibly be 5 or 6 B.C., making Jesus at his Baptism 33 or 34 years old.
If Luke had believed that Jesus was 30 years old when he began his ministry and that this fact was of Biblical importance, he most certainly would not have casually written, αὐτὸςἦν᾿Ιησοῦςὡσεὶ ἐτῶντριάκονταἀρχόμενος (When he began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, NASB, 1995).
And, by the way, Jesus was NOT accepted as a true prophet by the Jewish people. Indeed, Luke records them as crying out, "Crucify, crucify Him!"
It is a well-documented established fact that, if the relevant information given to us in the synoptic gospels is correct, Jesus was at least 32 years old when he was baptized by John the Baptist. The significance of this fact can be debated, but the fact itself cannot be debated. 28 + 4 CANNOT be less than 32. The date of 28 A.D. is absolutely certain; the date of 4 B.C. could possibly be 5 or 6 B.C., making Jesus at his Baptism 33 or 34 years old.
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