In the modern Catholic Church what is its position on different sacred objects like the scapular? Is it still upheld to be one of the most sacred things a person can have?
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Benedicta00
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Im not sure what you are asking? Objects that are blessed are sacred because they are consecrated. God will use the object at his own disposal.zjl56 said:
A scapular is just a brown clothe that one wears to show our Lady their pledge to live the Christian life, which is a sacrifice. We wear it as a symbol that we have the same spirit of penance as the Carmilites.
I have never known a scapular to grant miracles or to be miraculous. I wonder if it ever was?
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Well yes it is supposed to be blessed. But in somethings I have seen it to be believed that it can help in faith life.
Ok my main question is does the Catholic Church still believe that things such as the Scapular as sacred and should be worn?
Ok my main question is does the Catholic Church still believe that things such as the Scapular as sacred and should be worn?
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cool2bCatholic
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Well, I believe Our Lady gave the scapular to St Simon of Stock for the same reason she gave the rosary to St Dominic:to aid us on our path of holiness! Our Lady of Mt Carmel told St Simon:"Take, beloved son this scapular of thy order as a badge of my confraternity and for thee and all Carmelites a special sign of grace; whoever dies in this garment, will not suffer everlasting fire. It is the sign of salvation, a safeguard in dangers, a pledge of peace and of the covenant." There are several different types of scapulars, by the way, but the "brown scapular" of Our Lady of Mt Carmel is the most popular.
There's a much more in-depth answer to your question at newadvent.org (search under "S").
God bless you!
Angela
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FullyMT
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Maybe in the sense that it can serve as a reminder for the person wearing of what they have pledged to Christ and His mother?
It's a private devotion that is not really discouraged. It's up to each individual as to whether or not they wish to enter an order of a scapular (the two I know of are brown and green scapulars, each identifying with a certain religious order...I think). Miracles in the sense that things happen to the wearer aren't really related to the wearing of them that I know of.
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Benedicta00
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No, it's not magic. The faith comes from the person as God confers it on them, the object does not give faith. If that is what you are asking. God does.zjl56 said:
Yeah you should wear a scapular since it is supposed to represent a much larger vestment that the Carmelites wear...
I'm really not following you here.
No, blessed objects are not really sacramentals like Holy Water is, if that is what you are asking. Blessed objects as far as I am concern are just that, a consecrated object that if God chooses to work through that he will but the object just because it was blessed does not mean it will take away the free will of a person. They would still have to cooperate with the graces given to them. The graces comes from God not from the object but God may choose to deliver the grace through the wearing of an object if he wants. There is no guarantee that a blessed medal will automatically make you a saint or save you.
Why are you fixed on question about the scapular though?
The brown scapular (yes there are different colors) is not like other blessed objects. You are enrolled in the scapular meaning you make a pledge to live a Christian life and you wear the clothe as a reminder of this. When that brown clothes wear out and trust me they do, then you go and get another one and that does not need to be blessed because you were enrolled, the consecration comes from that, not from the clothe.
Does this help you out a little bit more?
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Benedicta00
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To clarify, a person who wears it in faith, cooperating with the graces obtained by Mary for the person will not suffer eternal fire if worn in faith, living out that faith.cool2bCatholic said:
Our Lady of Mt Carmel told St Simon:"Take, beloved son this scapular of thy order as a badge of my confraternity and for thee and all Carmelites a special sign of grace; whoever dies in this garment, will not suffer everlasting fire. It is the sign of salvation, a safeguard in dangers, a pledge of peace and of the covenant." There are several different types of scapulars, by the way, but the "brown scapular" of Our Lady of Mt Carmel is the most popular.
There's a much more in-depth answer to your question at newadvent.org (search under "S").
God bless you!
Angela
You cant just put one on sit back live like a bum and think you are going to be saved because you have one on. Thats not how it works.
You make a promise to Mary that you will follow her son Jesus as best as you can; Mary makes a promise to you that she will pray for you to God so he will give you the abundant graces you need to endure your perseverance in following our Lord. She prays for God to give the special graces and you cooperate with them and she will personally come and get you out of purgatory. The clothes represents that bond and that promise. Thats all.
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Benedicta00
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You bring up another important point. This isn't a article of our faith. To practice a devotion. I can choose not to and still go to haven one day. It's just a devotion that was given to us by Mary to help us out because us humans can be so weak at times in persevering.FullyMT said:
Catholics believe in achieving holiness, becoming holy as God is holy and we practice devotions f our chosing that can help us find our own path to becoming holy. Some will imitate certain saints and learn from them how to become holy and some will wear the scapular and go that route.
It is just a style of spiritually, it isnt a doctrine or anything.
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Yes I now about the Scapular, I have kept on wearing but some things puzzle with. A small amount of imformation came with it. And I don't get some of the parts especaily about indulgences. Though I wear it I think the best it can do is help remind me throughout my life to Jesus and God.
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cool2bCatholic
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You cant just put one on sit back live like a bum and think you are going to be saved because you have one on. Thats not how it works.
I can choose not to and still go to haven one day. It's just a devotion that was given to us by Mary to help us out because us humans can be so weak at times in persevering.
Sorry, I guess I was pretty vague in my post! You are absolutely right Shelb5, the scapular is not necessary for salvation, and of course wearing one doesn't automatically grant you salvation either.
God bless you!
Angela
I can choose not to and still go to haven one day. It's just a devotion that was given to us by Mary to help us out because us humans can be so weak at times in persevering.
Sorry, I guess I was pretty vague in my post! You are absolutely right Shelb5, the scapular is not necessary for salvation, and of course wearing one doesn't automatically grant you salvation either.
God bless you!
Angela
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Benedicta00
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Did you find out what you were looking for?zjl56 said:
You can search advent.org for more on the subject. Also Mary revamped the scapular devotion at Fatima in 1913. Are you aware of that and the promises attached to that devotion?
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