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[TheTruthinFiction]

I started a thread titled, "Any answers would help", it is closed for review right now. What I am going to do here is ask some questions that I think need to be asked. I have found that I need to be very direct and explain each part so that everyone will understand.

Before reading these, I am not a Christian in the way that many of you are. I DO believe in Jesus. I have problems with some of the practices of Christians. That is what I will bring up in this thread. These are direct questions and I would appreciate direct answers.

The purpose of me doing this is because of the way my other thread was locked. Call it the straw that broke the camel's back. I first thought not to say anything. Just let it be but then I remembered that there are as many like myself as there are people that are Christian. This was in many ways my original purpose for that locked thread because it was a question that needed to be asked.

I do want the moderators to read this as well and please do not remove this. Lock it, do whatever but see that this is not some angry at God post. My posts are meant to be taken as helpful and to make people think. If that is not the purpose of this forum then I will leave.

I am NOT looking for praise as was said on another question. What I am looking for is answers that could help someone who reads it. I do not have a Christian icon on my name because I am not a practicing Christian BUT that does not mean I don't believe.

Let me throw this in because it makes it a little more interesting from what I have seen so far. I'm a lead singer in a heavy metal band and have tattoos, shaved head. Having said that, my first question is would I be any more of a Christian if I was in a contemporary Christian band, a head full of hair (Mother Nature hasn't helped me there) and no tattoos? If I sang about Jesus but charged for people to hear me? To me that alone should take away from the purpose of their music, because it should be a free message not a 35 dollar ticket.

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If you see two charities, one a Christian, one for homeless children, which do you help?

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How many of you seen my screenname and all of a sudden thought I was talking about the Bible or something to do with Christians? I have a feeling that is the case. So an explanation, my name is a political based name nothing to do with religion.

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It is in the Bible that we are created in the image of God. Wouldn't this make you want to help everyone, non-believers included? All men are created equal but the question is, do you treat everyone equal?

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A continuation of the last question. In theory, you couldn't help a believer since they already believe so it would look to me to be the non-believer that you should be trying to help. Agreed?

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When Jesus was crucified, one of the other men who was also crucified also, said that he believed in Jesus. Jesus told this man he would be with him in paradise, despite his sins. This to me and my comprehension was a man who was never a believer and done things that were not good. My purpose of this question is that I have always said I am a believer, just not a Christian by practice. My question is, did I misunderstand this part?

Next question (just a few more, promise)

If a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me?

Why do Christians, in general, not all. Not what to hear an outside opinion? One they may be a little different than theirs but nonetheless as important? Was this not the very reason that Jesus was persecuted, for having different beliefs? Before you answer by saying that Jesus was placed here to give his life for our sins, please understand that I know that. I am asking if the problem others had with him is because they thought he talked nonsense because he was saying something they didn't agree with?

I am finished now. What I do want to say is that if you do not think these questions are important it is because you have not asked non-believers. I have dozens more of these questions. These questions are not for debate. I am asking your opinions and will not debate your answers. I'm analytical, yes I know that Christianity is a belief that is based on having faith that it is the right way, the only way but you have to understand that the posts I have left so far have done nothing but make me question Christians and what they feel their purpose is.

Thank you

 

[New_Found_Faith]

Having said that, my first question is would I be any more of a Christian if I was in a contemporary Christian band, a head full of hair (Mother Nature hasn't helped me there) and no tattoos? If I sang about Jesus but charged for people to hear me? To me that alone should take away from the purpose of their music, because it should be a free message not a 35 dollar ticket.

Next question

If you see two charities, one a Christian, one for homeless children, which do you help?

Next question

How many of you seen my screenname and all of a sudden thought I was talking about the Bible or something to do with Christians? I have a feeling that is the case. So an explanation, my name is a political based name nothing to do with religion.

Next question

It is in the Bible that we are created in the image of God. Wouldn't this make you want to help everyone, non-believers included? All men are created equal but the question is, do you treat everyone equal?

Next question

A continuation of the last question. In theory, you couldn't help a believer since they already believe so it would look to me to be the non-believer that you should be trying to help. Agreed?

Next question

When Jesus was crucified, one of the other men who was also crucified also, said that he believed in Jesus. Jesus told this man he would be with him in paradise, despite his sins. This to me and my comprehension was a man who was never a believer and done things that were not good. My purpose of this question is that I have always said I am a believer, just not a Christian by practice. My question is, did I misunderstand this part?

Next question (just a few more, promise)

If a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me?

Why do Christians, in general, not all. Not what to hear an outside opinion? One they may be a little different than theirs but nonetheless as important? Was this not the very reason that Jesus was persecuted, for having different beliefs? Before you answer by saying that Jesus was placed here to give his life for our sins, please understand that I know that. I am asking if the problem others had with him is because they thought he talked nonsense because he was saying something they didn't agree with?

I am finished now. What I do want to say is that if you do not think these questions are important it is because you have not asked non-believers. I have dozens more of these questions. These questions are not for debate. I am asking your opinions and will not debate your answers. I'm analytical, yes I know that Christianity is a belief that is based on having faith that it is the right way, the only way but you have to understand that the posts I have left so far have done nothing but make me question Christians and what they feel their purpose is.

Thank you

No Problem Now to answer your questions:

1.) Charging money for your performance -in itself- is not a sin. We are asked to give at least 10% of our gifts back to our community, so I would expect that most Christian Bands donate to charity frequently. Using God’s message to glorify yourself is a sin of grave matter, however.

2.) It would depend. From the information you have given me, I would split what I had 50/50 and give to each. There really isn't enough information as to what purpose I would be serving by giving to the Christians instead of homeless children.

3.) I assumed that it had something to do with religion. If I saw the screenname on a politcal board, I may not have.

4 & 5.) Disagreed. Faith alone does not save us, but by living in his image, and puting his Gospel to work in our every action. If I had a friend who was a non-believer, and a friend who was a believer, but was hipocritical and didn't follow the lifestyle that he preaches, I would help him as well.

6.) I think so. The man was a believer, and he was repentant of his sins. You say you are a believer, but do not practice your beliefs? Do you mean that you think that in your faith you are saved, and your actions are of no consequence? If so, you are wrong. At that man's final moments he admitted that he was a sinner, worthy of his punishment and Glorified Christ instead of himself. After this (Had he been given the oppurotunity, and survived), he most likely would have repented from his sins and glorified Christ in his everyday life. The man died that day, in repentance and took a stand against the other sinful man while glorifing Christ. That is how we must become if we are to be 'saved.' His faith opened the door, and his actions allowed him to walk through it.

7.) Definately not.

8.) Most Christians are content in their own beliefs and do not want to be bothered by the opinions of others. The Jews of the time believed he was a heretic. The punishment for heresy was death at the time. You could say that it is similar, because the Pharisees were unwilling to listen to Christ's message. With all 'True Christians' this is not the case, however.

Hope I helped and wasn't just rambling God Bless.
Sean C.

 

[suzybeezy]

NewFoundFaith, I am amazed by your responses. I can't believe, at your age, you were able to articulate your faith so well. You really took on some challenging questions that really could have stumbled even the most seasoned christian. Next time I have a question, I know who to ask.

TheTruthinFiction (not real thrilled with the screen name) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I strongly believe you may have some church experience in your past, maybe as a child. Seems to be that your experience may not have been a good one, one in which you may have felt alot of judgement. The fact that alot of your questions were of a superficial nature indicates alot of insecurities. Your inquisitive nature leads me to believe you may already have the seed planted in you, but are denying it. I don't know if anyone here could really supply you with answers that would satisfy you.

 

[New_Found_Faith]

NewFoundFaith, I am amazed by your responses. I can't believe, at your age, you were able to articulate your faith so well. You really took on some challenging questions that really could have stumbled even the most seasoned christian. Next time I have a question, I know who to ask.

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

NewFoundFaith, I am amazed by your responses. I can't believe, at your age, you were able to articulate your faith so well. You really took on some challenging questions that really could have stumbled even the most seasoned christian. Next time I have a question, I know who to ask.

TheTruthinFiction (not real thrilled with the screen name) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I strongly believe you may have some church experience in your past, maybe as a child. Seems to be that your experience may not have been a good one, one in which you may have felt alot of judgement. The fact that alot of your questions were of a superficial nature indicates alot of insecurities. Your inquisitive nature leads me to believe you may already have the seed planted in you, but are denying it. I don't know if anyone here could really supply you with answers that would satisfy you.

This is just a response to a question you asked and to the part about the screenname and how that even shows possibly what these questions show.

TruthinFiction-Came from a man who I was talking to about the war in Iraq. I was telling my opinion on the falseness of it and he said, "but it is the truth, we need Saddam out". I laughed and said, "Well we will call it the truth in fiction thoery" and both got a laugh.

The other part about my upbringing in a church. You are right, to some extent. Did come from a family with a grandfather who was a minister. I also attented a Bible College in South Florida for a few years before becoming frustrated with a few things. The seperatism that goes on between Christians and non-believers. Whatever our faith we are all still human, just taught or believe differently. It looked too much like WE (meaning the students) were supposed to look down on those who didn't believe the way we did.

My other problem could include my screenname being questioned. It's a name, a word, just like the icon that I have been questioned about that says other religion. This is such a small thing to seemingly hold against someone.

Thanks

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

No Problem Now to answer your questions:

1.) Charging money for your performance -in itself- is not a sin. We are asked to give at least 10% of our gifts back to our community, so I would expect that most Christian Bands donate to charity frequently. Using God’s message to glorify yourself is a sin of grave matter, however.

2.) It would depend. From the information you have given me, I would split what I had 50/50 and give to each. There really isn't enough information as to what purpose I would be serving by giving to the Christians instead of homeless children.

3.) I assumed that it had something to do with religion. If I saw the screenname on a politcal board, I may not have.

4 & 5.) Disagreed. Faith alone does not save us, but by living in his image, and puting his Gospel to work in our every action. If I had a friend who was a non-believer, and a friend who was a believer, but was hipocritical and didn't follow the lifestyle that he preaches, I would help him as well.

6.) I think so. The man was a believer, and he was repentant of his sins. You say you are a believer, but do not practice your beliefs? Do you mean that you think that in your faith you are saved, and your actions are of no consequence? If so, you are wrong. At that man's final moments he admitted that he was a sinner, worthy of his punishment and Glorified Christ instead of himself. After this (Had he been given the oppurotunity, and survived), he most likely would have repented from his sins and glorified Christ in his everyday life. The man died that day, in repentance and took a stand against the other sinful man while glorifing Christ. That is how we must become if we are to be 'saved.' His faith opened the door, and his actions allowed him to walk through it.

7.) Definately not.

8.) Most Christians are content in their own beliefs and do not want to be bothered by the opinions of others. The Jews of the time believed he was a heretic. The punishment for heresy was death at the time. You could say that it is similar, because the Pharisees were unwilling to listen to Christ's message. With all 'True Christians' this is not the case, however.

Hope I helped and wasn't just rambling God Bless.
Sean C.

As I said, I am not debating these answers and you gave me exactly what I was looking for so thank you. I didn't notice your age until someone else mentioned it. I too am impressed. Your answers were for the most part very clear and precise. I would have been happy with one answer to one question, HA. You really went out of your way so thank you very much.

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

The fact that alot of your questions were of a superficial nature indicates alot of insecurities. Your inquisitive nature leads me to believe you may already have the seed planted in you, but are denying it. I don't know if anyone here could really supply you with answers that would satisfy you.

I'm sorry but I missed this part. Superficial nature? Please explain. Insecure? Wow, insecure and superficial and you are having problems with my screenname? Any answer would satisfy me. That is the point of asking a question. Stop grouping me with people who have argued beliefs with you. I'm not them, just asking opinions. I once told a man, "I could tell someone a rock was going to hit them in the head. They would argue with me until it hit them and then ask me why I hadn't warned them the rock was going to hit them". I deny nothing. I just don't want to become so Christian that I can't accept any other person's opinion without getting defensive.

 

[New_Found_Faith]

I just don't want to become so Christian that I can't accept any other person's opinion without getting defensive.

To me this is a contradiction. As I said, a true Christian would be able to hear all opinions, without getting defensive (or overly offensive.)

What exactly are you looking for in gathering different opinions? You've said that you don't want to debate them, but then again if you're in an outreach forum. I think that if you're looking to become a better Christian (which you may or may not be doing, here) you should debate them, so that you may prove yourself right or wrong in your beliefs and continue to grow as a servant of God. You've also said that you are a Christian by belief, but not by practice. What do you mean by this?
Sean C.

 

[suzybeezy]

Okay, I'll make my best attempt at this.

"Superficial nature? Please explain." You stated "I'm a lead singer in a heavy metal band and have tattoos, shaved head. Having said that, my first question is would I be any more of a Christian if I was in a contemporary Christian band, a head full of hair (Mother Nature hasn't helped me there) and no tattoos? If I sang about Jesus but charged for people to hear me? To me that alone should take away from the purpose of their music, because it should be a free message not a 35 dollar ticket." An issue of looks? Tattos? (I have one). Heavy Metal Music (I like it myself and hard rock and go to concerts etc.). Love groups like Deep Purple and Pink Floyd? Me too. Actually seen Deep Purple in concert. Been to lots of Rock Concerts you'd never believe. So what does that mean? Christians have to fit into one stereo-type. This is one of those indications I picked up on that you have apparently been judged before. I'm sorry for the people that have done that to you. God truly doesn't care how you look on the outside. The only thing that matters is how your heart looks and the way you live your life.

Insecure? You stated "If a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me?" Are you trying to say that there is a ranking system in place that one holds higher preference. The only one who would know the true heart of each man would be God. In my eyes both would be equal and would be treated equal because all would be members of the human race. I wouldn't treat one better or one worse. In fact, quite frankly shouldn't the preacher be the one with the answers already?

And the only reason I made a comment about your screen name is because you brought it up. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have even noticed. Maybe your looking for people to judge you so you can question and reject everything they say. I'm probably the least judgemental person you'll meet, I've made my own share of mistakes. I'd hate anyone to stand in judgement of me. And if someone did, I'd realize their opinion doesn't really count, there's only one opinion I need to concern myself with.

I only pointed out my perception about your upbringing because it seemed so obvious to me. Not every Christian you come across will be the way you've experience it. There are alot of great Christians out there. Maybe you will bring yourself to exploring those opportunities one day. Best wishes to you.

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

To me this is a contradiction. As I said, a true Christian would be able to hear all opinions, without getting defensive (or overly offensive.)

What exactly are you looking for in gathering different opinions? You've said that you don't want to debate them, but then again if you're in an outreach forum. I think that if you're looking to become a better Christian (which you may or may not be doing, here) you should debate them, so that you may prove yourself right or wrong in your beliefs and continue to grow as a servant of God. You've also said that you are a Christian by belief, but not by practice. What do you mean by this?
Sean C.

Ok, I will answer these and if you need to, go see my thread any answers would help. I was told these were for questions NOT debates. If I posted on that thread again, it would be removed. Why do you have to question whether I am trying or not? What other purpose would I have? Is it not the easiest thing in this world to offend Christians? SO no I am not here for any other reason than to ask questions. You are a psychologist in the making. I have nothing to PROVE here, nothing. By not being a Christian by practice, I mean I don't go to church. I still believe in Jesus but not what I see going on in churches...that is it, my opinion. Debate is not what I came here for. Just opinions, not judgement, not questioning why I do this or that. Thanks

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

Okay, I'll make my best attempt at this.

"Superficial nature? Please explain." You stated "I'm a lead singer in a heavy metal band and have tattoos, shaved head. Having said that, my first question is would I be any more of a Christian if I was in a contemporary Christian band, a head full of hair (Mother Nature hasn't helped me there) and no tattoos? If I sang about Jesus but charged for people to hear me? To me that alone should take away from the purpose of their music, because it should be a free message not a 35 dollar ticket." An issue of looks? Tattos? (I have one). Heavy Metal Music (I like it myself and hard rock and go to concerts etc.). Love groups like Deep Purple and Pink Floyd? Me too. Actually seen Deep Purple in concert. Been to lots of Rock Concerts you'd never believe. So what does that mean? Christians have to fit into one stereo-type. This is one of those indications I picked up on that you have apparently been judged before. I'm sorry for the people that have done that to you. God truly doesn't care how you look on the outside. The only thing that matters is how your heart looks and the way you live your life.

Insecure? You stated "If a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me?" Are you trying to say that there is a ranking system in place that one holds higher preference. The only one who would know the true heart of each man would be God. In my eyes both would be equal and would be treated equal because all would be members of the human race. I wouldn't treat one better or one worse. In fact, quite frankly shouldn't the preacher be the one with the answers already?

And the only reason I made a comment about your screen name is because you brought it up. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have even noticed. Maybe your looking for people to judge you so you can question and reject everything they say. I'm probably the least judgemental person you'll meet, I've made my own share of mistakes. I'd hate anyone to stand in judgement of me. And if someone did, I'd realize their opinion doesn't really count, there's only one opinion I need to concern myself with.

I only pointed out my perception about your upbringing because it seemed so obvious to me. Not every Christian you come across will be the way you've experience it. There are alot of great Christians out there. Maybe you will bring yourself to exploring those opportunities one day. Best wishes to you.

The reason I bought up rock singer, tattoo is because that is the only thing that I could see that I said wrong on the other thread I have. It also shows the way people are judged on their appearance not their heart. That was it, nothing more, nothing less. My problem there comes from countless times that religious groups have protested shows by my band and others. If I were a Christian artist, people who are not Christian don't protest those shows so why should Christians protest bands that are not Christian?

We must have a different opinion of what insecure means. The point I was making is Christians prefer talking to other Christians (especially preachers) because they know there will be no disagreement. Honestly, to answer your question, NO the preacher should not have the answers. He has what he has been taught, not proven answers. That is why I asked for opinions because in general I was interested.

The screenname, it has already been brought up 5 or 6 times on other threads I have posted on. My other religion icon has also been brought up. So I wanted to get that out of the way so that people would not go into that again. I'm trying to talk with people here but I am getting nothing but one-sided answers. I'm being respectful yet I am not being respected at any point because of my screenname and icon.

As for it being obvious that I was raised in a church. I'm not going by what I remember about one church. My band has been protested in Atlanta, Cleveland, Des Moines, Omaha. It's not a perception that I thought up in my head based on one church. A school full of seminary students that I was a part of, filled with anger towards anyone that didn't believe the way they did. I know there are a lot of great Christians out there, I'm married to one. She became so frustrated with the posts to me on the other thread that she doesn't want to post here anymore. Also the grandfather I spoke of, he was a true hero to me, a minister. So I know there are great Christians and in a way maybe those are the ones I am looking for but I have only found a few on here so far. Thanks

 

[New_Found_Faith]

Ok, I will answer these and if you need to, go see my thread any answers would help. I was told these were for questions NOT debates. If I posted on that thread again, it would be removed. Why do you have to question whether I am trying or not? What other purpose would I have? Is it not the easiest thing in this world to offend Christians? SO no I am not here for any other reason than to ask questions. You are a psychologist in the making. I have nothing to PROVE here, nothing. By not being a Christian by practice, I mean I don't go to church. I still believe in Jesus but not what I see going on in churches...that is it, my opinion. Debate is not what I came here for. Just opinions, not judgement, not questioning why I do this or that. Thanks

I understand. By debate, I meant discussion. I didn't accuse you of not trying, I said you 'may or may not be trying.'

I figured you wanted to hear other opinions of things you were questioning in your own faith, and to compare them to your current beliefs. Maybe I was wrong. I apologise if I came off as judgemental, I didn't mean to be. God Bless.
Sean C.

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

I understand. By debate, I meant discussion. I didn't accuse you of not trying, I said you 'may or may not be trying.'

I figured you wanted to hear other opinions of things you were questioning in your own faith, and to compare them to your current beliefs. Maybe I was wrong. I apologise if I came off as judgemental, I didn't mean to be. God Bless.
Sean C.

No problem Sean, no need for an apology. The way you answered your first post to me was what I was looking for. So thank you again.

 

[Krazeekkc]

Let me throw this in because it makes it a little more interesting from what I have seen so far. I'm a lead singer in a heavy metal band and have tattoos, shaved head. Having said that, my first question is would I be any more of a Christian if I was in a contemporary Christian band, a head full of hair (Mother Nature hasn't helped me there) and no tattoos? Not necessarily. Outward appearance doesn't matter like the inner appearance. I don't know much about tattoos and if they're bad or not but right now I don't see how they are.

If I sang about Jesus but charged for people to hear me? To me that alone should take away from the purpose of their music, because it should be a free message not a 35 dollar ticket. Like another person said, if it's their job and they are still tithing their 10% I see nothing wrong with it. It's not like they're charging people to learn about Jesus just to sing about him. It's a little different.

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If you see two charities, one a Christian, one for homeless children, which do you help? It depends on alot of things, like which one needs more money and is more beneficial.

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How many of you seen my screenname and all of a sudden thought I was talking about the Bible or something to do with Christians? I have a feeling that is the case. So an explanation, my name is a political based name nothing to do with religion. I actually thought of no certain reason you had that sceenname.

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It is in the Bible that we are created in the image of God. Wouldn't this make you want to help everyone, non-believers included? Yes, I do indeed want to help everyone.

All men are created equal but the question is, do you treat everyone equal? Yes, I try to.

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A continuation of the last question. In theory, you couldn't help a believer since they already believe so it would look to me to be the non-believer that you should be trying to help. Agreed? Well, it really depends on how you're trying to help them. Like are both of them starving? Then, I could try to help either one of them or even both. In religion? Well, I might try to help answer a non-believers questions and try to address their concerns (lol), and try to lead them to Jesus. Or if there is another Christian who might have questions and I might try to help them if I could.

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When Jesus was crucified, one of the other men who was also crucified also, said that he believed in Jesus. Jesus told this man he would be with him in paradise, despite his sins. This to me and my comprehension was a man who was never a believer and done things that were not good. My purpose of this question is that I have always said I am a believer, just not a Christian by practice. My question is, did I misunderstand this part? Well, basically the other man did believe and Jesus and wished to repent and be with him.

Next question (just a few more, promise)

If a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me? Actually I'd probably be more interested in answering them for you.

Why do Christians, in general, not all. Not what to hear an outside opinion? I don't mind hearing an outside opinion at all.

One they may be a little different than theirs but nonetheless as important? Yes, their opinion can be just as important as anyone elses.

Was this not the very reason that Jesus was persecuted, for having different beliefs? Before you answer by saying that Jesus was placed here to give his life for our sins, please understand that I know that. I am asking if the problem others had with him is because they thought he talked nonsense because he was saying something they didn't agree with? Yes, alot of the pharisees (sp?) and other people had a problem with Jesus since he was claiming to be God and disagreed with some things.

I am finished now. What I do want to say is that if you do not think these questions are important it is because you have not asked non-believers. I have dozens more of these questions. These questions are not for debate. I am asking your opinions and will not debate your answers. I'm analytical, yes I know that Christianity is a belief that is based on having faith that it is the right way, the only way but you have to understand that the posts I have left so far have done nothing but make me question Christians and what they feel their purpose is.

Thank you Yor welcome! (lol)

 

[AlikhnKwizad]

Question: Why was Jesus persecuted?

My husband was in a band for a while (well, he still is but it's not a rock band anymore, more blues stuff... anyway, that doesn't bother me. I'm not really into 'christian rock' ...we knew people in that scene and it did not impress us. No offence to those who get into that though! )

Back to the question-

Well, I hope you are not anti-semetic! Jesus is actually Yeshua. That's His hebrew name. It's what everyone called Him. The name "Jesus" came later, out of the Greek translation of Yeshua.

Yeshua was a Torah observant Jew. When He was on earth Rome had control over Jerusalem. Many Jews were praying to HaShem ("The Name" / G-d) for Messiah to come and liberate them from Rome (politically) and to bring the Kingdom of G-d to earth (politically & spiritually.) The prophets & priests were searching the Tenach ("Old Testament") to discern the comming of Messiah. Many Jews during this time claimed to be the Messiah of Israel. Some actually tried to overthrow Rome- unsuccessfully. Many, many Jews were crusified by Rome during this time. They were labled rebels against the govt. of Rome.

Then Yeshua came into the world. He was perfect in His knowledge of Torah. When He spoke He revealed the 'heart intent' of Torah. Example: It is against the Law of HaShem to commit adultery. But in G-d's eyes, it is not just an issue of outer observance, but it is an issue of the heart. So, Yeshua said that not only is the ACT of adultery wrong, but the lust in one's heart is wrong. One must have Torah (G-d's instruction) written on the HEART as well as being upheld in ACTION.

Yeshua claimed to be Echad (one) with HaShem (G-d). Yeshua said He had the authority to forgive sin (which only G-d can do.) His followers claimed He was Messiah of Israel.

The Jews who had studied prophesy recognized Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel and rejoiced. The religious leaders who did not understand the heart of Torah, but enjoyed the position of being in power wanted this 'heritic' gone. They feared that more Jews would follow Yeshua... that their power would diminish... that Rome would crush the people of Israel if they did not contain this crazy 'Messiah fever' that seemed to be going out of control...

Rome saw the uprisings of the Jewish rebels as a danger to their kingdom. They had no interest in this Jewish Messiah- but they did want to remain in power. They wanted to stamp out any thoughts of resisting the Roman occupation.

So, When the time was right acording to G-d- during Passover- Yeshua was arrested at night, given an illegal trial, sent to Roman authorities, and both Jewish religious leaders and Roman governmental officials descided to cruscify Him. Yet, Yeshua actually offered His life willingly as atonement for Israel & all who put their trust in His perfect atonement. (But that's another story in itself.)

Does that help any?

Shalom~NK

 

[Rosieace]

Jesus came for sinners, walked and talked and ate with sinners. He said he came for the sick ,not for the well.It is the sick who need a physician, not the well. He is our brother. He is the friend who sticks closer than a brother.He said the thief on the cross would be with him in heaven, because the thief 'believed' in Him. That is all we have to do, in our sin, is to believe in Him. He will save us from our sins, from hell if we believe in Him. That is all any person can do to get to heaven, is to believe on Jesus. When we finally click, and get it, the believing part, that is when we know Jesus is God and He is real, that is when we get saved.Because only the Father in heaven can give us this revelation, that Jesus is God, and the only way and truth and life ,and that no man comes to the Father, but by Him(Jesus).We cant get educated, or learn anything that will save us, or draw us to Him, only God himself can save us, and only in His time, His way, and when we are sincere in our search for God, and the truth.Too many churches are preaching love and practicing condemnation and judgement on anybody who is not like them. Too many christians and preachers are like clones of each other, instead of being themselves, thinking for themselves,searching for the truth for themselves, reading the bible for themselves,being what God made them to be, an individual for Jesus, with a mind of their own, and the mind of Christ. I believe most people who are saved , dont feel enough of a click with God, because they need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. They are taught they dont need it, its already done in water baptism, and they miss out on the Comforter that Jesus sends us, our special gift to help us know God.Being baptized in the Holy Spirit is the answer to most peoples questions.If they will open their minds and recieve Gods gift to man. Ask Jesus to fill you with His Holy Spirit and baptize you with fire and power.Keep asking until it happens. Without the Holy Spirit we cant understand anything about Jesus or the bible and spiritual things. God bless you, Rosieace

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

Question: Why was Jesus persecuted?

My husband was in a band for a while (well, he still is but it's not a rock band anymore, more blues stuff... anyway, that doesn't bother me. I'm not really into 'christian rock' ...we knew people in that scene and it did not impress us. No offence to those who get into that though! )

Back to the question-

Well, I hope you are not anti-semetic! Jesus is actually Yeshua. That's His hebrew name. It's what everyone called Him. The name "Jesus" came later, out of the Greek translation of Yeshua.

Yeshua was a Torah observant Jew. When He was on earth Rome had control over Jerusalem. Many Jews were praying to HaShem ("The Name" / G-d) for Messiah to come and liberate them from Rome (politically) and to bring the Kingdom of G-d to earth (politically & spiritually.) The prophets & priests were searching the Tenach ("Old Testament") to discern the comming of Messiah. Many Jews during this time claimed to be the Messiah of Israel. Some actually tried to overthrow Rome- unsuccessfully. Many, many Jews were crusified by Rome during this time. They were labled rebels against the govt. of Rome.

Then Yeshua came into the world. He was perfect in His knowledge of Torah. When He spoke He revealed the 'heart intent' of Torah. Example: It is against the Law of HaShem to commit adultery. But in G-d's eyes, it is not just an issue of outer observance, but it is an issue of the heart. So, Yeshua said that not only is the ACT of adultery wrong, but the lust in one's heart is wrong. One must have Torah (G-d's instruction) written on the HEART as well as being upheld in ACTION.

Yeshua claimed to be Echad (one) with HaShem (G-d). Yeshua said He had the authority to forgive sin (which only G-d can do.) His followers claimed He was Messiah of Israel.

The Jews who had studied prophesy recognized Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel and rejoiced. The religious leaders who did not understand the heart of Torah, but enjoyed the position of being in power wanted this 'heritic' gone. They feared that more Jews would follow Yeshua... that their power would diminish... that Rome would crush the people of Israel if they did not contain this crazy 'Messiah fever' that seemed to be going out of control...

Rome saw the uprisings of the Jewish rebels as a danger to their kingdom. They had no interest in this Jewish Messiah- but they did want to remain in power. They wanted to stamp out any thoughts of resisting the Roman occupation.

So, When the time was right acording to G-d- during Passover- Yeshua was arrested at night, given an illegal trial, sent to Roman authorities, and both Jewish religious leaders and Roman governmental officials descided to cruscify Him. Yet, Yeshua actually offered His life willingly as atonement for Israel & all who put their trust in His perfect atonement. (But that's another story in itself.)

Does that help any?

Shalom~NK

This is a great post, thank you. I had asked about the name Jesus on another thread. I wasn't for sure what it was but I knew there wasn't a, "J" in the Hebrew language. I have read your post 3 times already, thanks it is one of the better ones I have seen. The part about anti-semetic, no not all, that is one thing I have tried to get across on this forum, is a feeling of togetherness, friendship, despite our differences because we are all human. By the way, I love the blues. My comment about the Christian rock was concerning the way that some Christian bands sell themselves in being Christians, I didn't see that as something I liked. Thanks again

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

Jesus came for sinners, walked and talked and ate with sinners. He said he came for the sick ,not for the well.It is the sick who need a physician, not the well. He is our brother. He is the friend who sticks closer than a brother.He said the thief on the cross would be with him in heaven, because the thief 'believed' in Him. That is all we have to do, in our sin, is to believe in Him. He will save us from our sins, from hell if we believe in Him. That is all any person can do to get to heaven, is to believe on Jesus. When we finally click, and get it, the believing part, that is when we know Jesus is God and He is real, that is when we get saved.Because only the Father in heaven can give us this revelation, that Jesus is God, and the only way and truth and life ,and that no man comes to the Father, but by Him(Jesus).We cant get educated, or learn anything that will save us, or draw us to Him, only God himself can save us, and only in His time, His way, and when we are sincere in our search for God, and the truth.Too many churches are preaching love and practicing condemnation and judgement on anybody who is not like them. Too many christians and preachers are like clones of each other, instead of being themselves, thinking for themselves,searching for the truth for themselves, reading the bible for themselves,being what God made them to be, an individual for Jesus, with a mind of their own, and the mind of Christ. I believe most people who are saved , dont feel enough of a click with God, because they need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. They are taught they dont need it, its already done in water baptism, and they miss out on the Comforter that Jesus sends us, our special gift to help us know God.Being baptized in the Holy Spirit is the answer to most peoples questions.If they will open their minds and recieve Gods gift to man. Ask Jesus to fill you with His Holy Spirit and baptize you with fire and power.Keep asking until it happens. Without the Holy Spirit we cant understand anything about Jesus or the bible and spiritual things. God bless you, Rosieace

Wow, this is another incredible post. This post has so many good points in it that I can't even pick them out. Thank you Rosieace, this truly is what I was looking for in posting on this site. The positivity and wow I'm just stuck, trying to read it again. Thank you so, so much. Many of the things you have said have been attempted to be said by me in other posts but I have yet to put anything together like this. Just incredible and thank you again.

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

For some reason or another it's not quoting. Either way, thank you, your answers were good and thanks for the humor. Enjoy getting to laugh. I have to thank everyone so far on this thread for being nice and non-judgemental of me. Thanks you all. I will be gone for a few days, studio sessions for new album but I will be back on Saturday. Please continue to answer, this has turned out much better than I anticipated. Thanks

 

[Radagast]

... What I am going to do here is ask some questions that I think need to be asked. I have found that I need to be very direct and explain each part so that everyone will understand.

Thanks for doing that!

... I am not a Christian in the way that many of you are. I DO believe in Jesus ... I am not a practicing Christian BUT that does not mean I don't believe.

I don't understand why you would have beliefs and not act on them.

... I have problems with some of the practices of Christians.

You don't like us. But why? Bad experiences? I recommend CS Lewis The Screwtape Letters on this topic.

If you see two charities, one a Christian, one for homeless children, which do you help?

I'd help the Christian-run charity for homeless children.

It is in the Bible that we are created in the image of God. Wouldn't this make you want to help everyone, non-believers included?

Yes.

In theory, you couldn't help a believer since they already believe.

The main function of www.christianforums.com is for Christians to help other Christians. The second function is to help non-Christians.

When Jesus was crucified, one of the other men who was also crucified also, said that he believed in Jesus. Jesus told this man he would be with him in paradise, despite his sins. This to me and my comprehension was a man who was never a believer

From that moment he was a believer, and his sins were forgiven.

If a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me?

-- Radagast