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JM, if that's how you feel, you should absolutely no problem with Brimac coming into that forum to discuss this without your input. Correct?
JM, if that's how you feel, you should absolutely no problem with Brimac coming into that forum to discuss this without your input. Correct?
Traditional SDA Sub-forum: a non-debate sub-forum for Adventists who believe in all 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=36959783&postcount=1
Then a message board on Morse's website revealed some questionable theologyat least from a typical evangelical perspective. Asserting that "I am not a Trinitarian," Morse says Scripture tells us Jesus "came forth" from God, and is therefore separate from God. But the Nicene Creeda doctrinal statement which most evangelicals affirmand other traditional Christian teaching state that God is a single being who also exists as a Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Scripture seems to be clear that Jesus is both God and man (John 10:29-30). And our own statement of faith at Christianity Today Internationala document all employees are required to signalso affirms a Trinitarian doctrine.
And so Morse, whom we've covered in the past as a "Christian artist," is now being covered in "Glimpses of God," which typically features secular artists who are exploring themes of faithmusical "seekers," as it were. Morse may well be a Christian; that is not for us to judge. But as long as he adheres to such non-traditionaland some would say hereticalbeliefs, we will not cover him as a "Christian artist." http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/glimpses/2007/solascriptura.html
While I certainly don't represent Adventist theology
And this is precisely why you shouldn't be counted as an SDA in this forum.
And this is precisely why you shouldn't be counted as an SDA in this forum.
The Deconstruction of Adventism and Christianity
Paul Whiting who also writes a blog asked the following question:
Thank you for this post. I agree so much with what you say. This is one part of "traditional" Adventist theology that makes me cringe. Actually, too much of it makes me cringe! But for some reason, I have become a part of SDAism and feel that is right presently for me to stay.My deconstruction is not limited to Adventism, there needs to be serious changes in the attitudes and philosophy of Christianity itself. Adventism is just the starting point for me because that is the denomination I am most familiar with. This is why I choose the name NewProtestants.com for my website. The Reformation was a call to return to reason over tradition and we are very much in need of another Reformation. I would hope that with Adventisms history of going against traditions that we would be a good place to start a reformation of Christianity. Some Adventists have felt that the church is a continuation of the Reformation. In many ways this is a self serving idea but there is still the possibility within the denomination to really be a reformation movement.
I would like you to post on why you chose to continue to be identified with Adventism. What positive aim lies behind the deconstruction you engage in on this blog? --from comment on Our Context Regardless of Context
Deconstruction tends to be the most effective way to arrive at any type of reform. As we can see in this C.S. Lewis quote:
We all want progress. But progress means getting nearer to the place where you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turn, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man. . .There is nothing progressive about being pigheaded and refusing to admit a mistake." C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (New York: Macmillan, 1952), Book I, Chap. 5, p. 22.Deconstruction is the process whereby we acknowledge our mistakes and make a change in the path we take. The deconstruction would have to take place in any denomination in existence today. If I became a member of some other denomination it is likely they would say that I dont understand the denominations position enough to deconstruct it and lay out a path toward a more reasonable theology. Adventism cant say that because I was raised and schooled within it. While I could choose a denomination that is more correct on some element say for instance the Atonement there would still be other areas of concern. Trading one problem for another problem is not really the answer, we in Christianity have to change the way we think to really progress.
Unfortunately religion is so intertwined with tradition that deconstruction is a very painful process. Yet it was a very important factor throughout the Judeo-Christian history and it must continue. The Old Testament prophets were reformers, Jesus Christ and the Apostles were reformers and reformers have arisen regularly throughout the Christian era. Today with technology as it is we dont even need the charismatic leader to lead a reformation just the information and that may make our reformation even more effective because it will not be based upon what a couple of charismatic people think is important it will based upon using our God given reasoning abilities. The scary part for a lot of people is that in some things our reasoning will have to admit that in some things we dont have answers or there may even be different answers for different people. That maybe there is such a thing as unity in diversity.
I understand your fear, it is what the Roman Catholics said of the reformers, it is the classic response of tradition against any change. Not long ago on my blog I wrote the following:
By defihition divinity cannot die. If both the divine and the human died then He could not have raised Himself from the dead. One must be alive to bring life into existence. There is no need to suspend scientific thought because you are discussing religioius ideas.I think the divine died. I admit that I could be wrong... But that is what I currently think. We should have a different thread of a discussion of semi-arrianism.
JM
When have I made comments in this thread that aren't along with the 28 fundamental doctrines of the SDA church. In fact, I have been defending one of the 28 doctrines from people who frequent the Traditional SDA forums.
As long as the Traditional SDA forums are a hot bed of heresy, and no one is allowed to respond against them there, I don't want new members or people with questions going there for discussion.
JM
Fear?
You espouse the view of theistic evolution, reject much of what is written in the Bible and refer to such writings as fables, and you don't even agree that Jesus died for our sins. In my opinion you are not an SDA. Even by your own admission you are not an SDA, since you do not represent Adventist Theology.
I'm a Traditional that invited him to come to the Traditional section. There isn't anything else I can do until the Main Forum is set up for no debate.
A person should be able to come here and ask a question without having to endure past conflicts between some of our members here.
I don't think any of the other Traditionals will mind one bit that I've invited him into our subfora.
I am saying that this recent derailment is a correction that some of us presented due to some of the 'traditionals' not presenting the 28 fundamental beleifs.
You shouldn't be able to misrepresent official adventism.
JM
I just do not believe that Jesus WAS/IS the Father and I feel that they obviously have different roles.
Hi Sis,
Where did you get this from? Is this a view some people hold?
Jon
Hi Sis,
Where did you get this from? Is this a view some people hold?
Jon
It's a view most Traditional Adventists (at least the ones I've talked to) hold as well.
I got it straight from scripture.
For instance:
John 20:17 (I think) says Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus died for three days. Father God did not. In fact, Father God resurrected God the Son.
There's a lot more scriptures like that which point to my view. And in believing what I do, I am in no way contradicting the fundamental belief of the Adventist church.
I do not in any way discount Jesus' role as God. He is the only way for us to get to the Father (His God and our God).
He is our advocate, our judge, and our friend.
I also do not discount the role of the Holy Spirit, our Mediator.
But they are one like my husband and I are one. Two totally separate people that are one in purpose, but capable of doing two completely different things at the same moment in time.
They are unified into one God with one purpose.
It's a view most Traditional Adventists (at least the ones I've talked to) hold as well.
I got it straight from scripture.
For instance:
John 20:17 (I think) says Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus died for three days. Father God did not. In fact, Father God resurrected God the Son.
There's a lot more scriptures like that which point to my view. And in believing what I do, I am in no way contradicting the fundamental belief of the Adventist church.
I do not in any way discount Jesus' role as God. He is the only way for us to get to the Father (His God and our God).
He is our advocate, our judge, and our friend.
I also do not discount the role of the Holy Spirit, our Mediator.
But they are one like my husband and I are one. Two totally separate people that are one in purpose, but capable of doing two completely different things at the same moment in time.
They are unified into one God with one purpose.
No no, I agree with you! I was wondering where you got the idea that Jesus is the Father. I've never heard of this.
I thought the very very traditional SDA was still semi-arian (ie, no trinity, only God the Father, Jesus created).
Jon
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