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Questions about race and Christianity that are of interest to me

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Why is Christianity considered a white man's religion when it began with Middle Eastern people? Paul, a Middle Eastern Jew, wrote in the New Testament about the Gospels being preached to the Japhetic/European/Caucasian peoples such as those in Rome and Tarsus. By the way, were those in Subsaharan Africa familiar with Christians or Christianity and did some of them became Christians before the Renaissance period, when black Africans were beginning to be uprooted in large numbers to the New World and the Middle East?

This would be of particular concern to black Americans such as myself because one of the lies that have been told especially to black people has been that Christianity is a white man's religion. Phillip, who I'm assuming was a Jew or Greek, baptized a black man from Ethiopia. There was a man named Simon of Niger mentioned in the book of Acts in the first century church. Was Niger according to the New Testament located in West Africa or was there another Niger in East Africa such as near Ethiopia?

I realize that I should know this because of the legacy of slavery, but were black Africans from West Africa in particular the last people to be preached the gospel to? I am a Christian and I would like to know how do I witness to anyone who believes the lie that either Christ didn't die for them or that it is not THEIR religion.
 
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who considers it a "white man" religion?

It belongs to no race, and yet to all races. To no man, and yet to all men.

Christianity does not have one culture, but adapts to all cultures of the world taking a different shape in each of those cultures, so the Christians in Africa will be different than in China than in the UK, than in South America than in North America.

Those who think it is a white man's religion are wrong, and have always been wrong.
 
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Why is Christianity considered a white man's religion when it began with Middle Eastern people? Paul, a Middle Eastern Jew, wrote in the New Testament about the Gospels being preached to the Japhetic/European/Caucasian peoples such as those in Rome and Tarsus. By the way, were those in Subsaharan Africa familiar with Christians or Christianity and did some of them became Christians before the Renaissance period, when black Africans were beginning to be uprooted in large numbers to the New World and the Middle East?

This would be of particular concern to black Americans such as myself because one of the lies that have been told especially to black people has been that Christianity is a white man's religion. Phillip, who I'm assuming was a Jew or Greek, baptized a black man from Ethiopia. There was a man named Simon of Niger mentioned in the book of Acts in the first century church. Was Niger according to the New Testament located in West Africa or was there another Niger in East Africa such as near Ethiopia?

I realize that I should know this because of the legacy of slavery, but were black Africans from West Africa in particular the last people to be preached the gospel to? I am a Christian and I would like to know how do I witness to anyone who believes the lie that either Christ didn't die for them or that it is not THEIR religion.

Slavery has nothing to do with it, but the imposition of the control that goes with slavery does; many slaves were already Christian (Ethiopian Orthodox) when they were kidnapped and brought to other countries in Europe, North and South America. Besides the oldest Churches in the Middle East, and the Ethiopian Church, there is also the Coptic Orthodox from Egypt. These Churches which were, and for the most part remain black are not small, and have existed much longer than the white protestant denominations of North America; and have undergone less change that the RCC too.

Not only is it their religion, but it is the religion of all mankind. Christ died for all.:):thumbsup:
 
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Why is Christianity considered a white man's religion when it began with Middle Eastern people? Paul, a Middle Eastern Jew, wrote in the New Testament about the Gospels being preached to the Japhetic/European/Caucasian peoples such as those in Rome and Tarsus. By the way, were those in Subsaharan Africa familiar with Christians or Christianity and did some of them became Christians before the Renaissance period, when black Africans were beginning to be uprooted in large numbers to the New World and the Middle East?

If you are a descendent of slaves in North America, your African ancestors were unlikely to have been Christian, most slaves having been kidnapped to the Americas from coastal West African areas from The Gambia to Congo. Islam had made significant inroads into these areas a hundred or so years before the European Atlantic slave trade began, and would have been the dominant single religion slaves brought with them.

Therefore, the Christianity taught to those slaves, was a "white man's religion" to the extent that they were taught only the theology that evolved in Europe. As others have mentioned, there was and is thriving Christianity outside of Europe--outside of the Catholic/Protestant hash, outside of the Calvinism/Arminianism hash--that has some distinctively different concepts. These are not heretic--although proponents of "the white man's religion" will think them so.

European Christians, as they colonized areas by force that were already Christian, did not respect those local Christian religions, however.
Even in the modern day, American Christians disrespect the Churches that exist(ed) in the Middle East all the way to India. These are some of the oldest continuous churches in the world, but Western (and particularly American) Christians pretend these churches don't exist at all, and seek to replace them rather than to support them.

Talk to the average American Christian about the plight of the Church in Iraq or of Palestinian Christians, and you'll either get a blank stare or a strong disagreement that such even exist.

Islamic evangelism to black Americans has been running for about a century now, touting the actual truth that Islam was the most common single religion of the slaves kidnapped to the Americas. Unfortunately, that fact combined with the decidedly unChristian practice of slavery and Jim Crow gives them further fuel, especially to the extent that American Christians in the south used New Testament scripture to bolster slavery and racism.

And let's not be fooled--the northern Christians were not abolitionists because of a love of black fellow Christians, but to save the souls of white people.

Many of these people--who are probably proselytes to Islam themselves--simply didn't have real understanding of Christianity themselves and were easy prey.

It's really a miracle wrought by the Holy Spirit that black Americans were able to see the truth beyond the lies of how they were treated by "Christians" in America.

But it is the truth, and the truth is never manifest so greatly as to go to other countries and meet fellow Christians in places where Christianity is the "default," and where the faith is not nationalized because to be Christian is automatically to be alien (1 Peter 1).

It was so amazing to me to go to Japan or Thailand or Korea and spend hours talking in fellowship with Christians who were of totally different native cultures--but we saw perfectly eye-to-eye on the deep, important subjects of good, evil, love, hate, honor, and righteousness.

Then, I experienced a genuine epiphany when I returned to the States, got into conversations with Americans who should have had the same worldview as mine--but finding their thoughts utterly alien to me.

I had to reflect: What is really my nation? Who is really my countryman? Hence my signature below.

And that is really the response. Not that Africans were historically Christians--that's simply not relevant. The gospel is just as true for Native Americans as for anyone, just as true for Chinese and Japanese as it is for anyone.

I remember talking to an elderly Japanese woman back in the 80s who had been a young girl during WWII. Her father had actually been a Japanese Christian missionary in Manchuria, China, when the Japanese invaded that area in 1931. They had put her father in a prison camp for precisely for teaching the "white man's religion," and her family was not re-united with her father until after WWII. She and her mother had also suffered in their community for believing in the "white man's religion" during the war.

But hearing those testimonies are what make you realize that Christianity really is a truth that is supranational, transcending boundaries made by men.
 
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branch,

who considers it a "white man" religion?

It belongs to no race, and yet to all races. To no man, and yet to all men
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All of the surviving art and sculptural works from the times of the Pharoah clearly reveal that the Egyptians were black and browned skinned. Moses was raised in the house of a black king but did not know he belonged to a different set of peoples from the man who he thought was his blood kin. Therefore, the only logical conclusion one could draw from this is that Moses was black.

Up to about the 14th century Jesus and the disciples were all portrayed as black or brown skinned. In fact to this day the Madonna and baby Jesus are still portrayed as black in the Russian Orthodox church.

For 1400 years Jesus and all biblical characters were portrayed in this manner. Why? For the very simple reason that in real life they had this skin tone. The religion they founded found its way into households all over the world as mandated in Mark 16:15 which means that Christianity is not and will NEVER be a white man's religion.
 
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Despite movies, I don't see any indication in scripture that Moses was unaware that he was not blood kin to the Pharaoh. Exodus 2:11 appears to say clearly that Moses knew who his people were.

Notice that Jeremiah 13 acknowledges that a Cushite's skin is a different color.

I agree that Christianity was born from a nation of color.

However, it must be acknowedged that Christianity has been branded as a product of European exploitation for the last 1000 years, so anyone doing evangelism to the world of color is obliged to deal with that baggage. You can't deny that issue exists and have any success in the rest of the world.

All of the surviving art and sculptural works from the times of the Pharoah clearly reveal that the Egyptians were black and browned skinned. Moses was raised in the house of a black king but did not know he belonged to a different set of peoples from the man who he thought was his blood kin. Therefore, the only logical conclusion one could draw from this is that Moses was black.

Up to about the 14th century Jesus and the disciples were all portrayed as black or brown skinned. In fact to this day the Madonna and baby Jesus are still portrayed as black in the Russian Orthodox church.

For 1400 years Jesus and all biblical characters were portrayed in this manner. Why? For the very simple reason that in real life they had this skin tone. The religion they founded found its way into households all over the world as mandated in Mark 16:15 which means that Christianity is not and will NEVER be a white man's religion.
 
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All of the surviving art and sculptural works from the times of the Pharoah clearly reveal that the Egyptians were black and browned skinned. Moses was raised in the house of a black king but did not know he belonged to a different set of peoples from the man who he thought was his blood kin. Therefore, the only logical conclusion one could draw from this is that Moses was black.

Up to about the 14th century Jesus and the disciples were all portrayed as black or brown skinned. In fact to this day the Madonna and baby Jesus are still portrayed as black in the Russian Orthodox church.

For 1400 years Jesus and all biblical characters were portrayed in this manner. Why? For the very simple reason that in real life they had this skin tone. The religion they founded found its way into households all over the world as mandated in Mark 16:15 which means that Christianity is not and will NEVER be a white man's religion.

One finds iconography generally reflects the culture itself. Ethiopian iconography looks different from Syriac, Byzantine, Russian, or Chinese iconography.

Icons are never meant to be "true to life", but rather they are theological depictions of heavenly reality.

For example I love this Chinese Madonna and Child:

_Chinese_icon_Mary_babyJesus.jpg


-CryptoLutheran
 
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Following the establishment of the Holy Roman Empire monks took Christianity into what was a somewhat backward, barbarous culture compared to others at that time. But within Christian belief were the seeds that enabled the Enlightenment, the development of science and technology and the social and political freedoms that both allowed and stimulated that development.

The spread of European culture by contact and conquest associated Christianity with white western people. But today the largest Christian communities are non white - African, Oriental and Latin American.

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Many CONVERTED Khazarian Jew-ISH Caucasian people may beg to differ. Also many Christians are convinced Abraham,Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David etc. were all sons of White/Caucasian Japheth, while the word clearly states that they were people of SHEM who lived in the land of HAM.

What makes Japheth "White"?

What makes Ham "Black"?

That was a common racialist view of the 19th century, but it's as ridiculous as the day is long.

Scientifically, all human beings share a common ancestry going back to Africa where anatomically modern humans evolved.

So if you want to get technical, before we all migrated to the four corners of the globe, everyone was black.

Skin color is determined largely by the amount of a skin pigmentation known as melanin produced; the closer a people group has lived further from the equator where solar radiation is more sparse less melanin is produced as melanin deflects UV radiation to protect the skin. White or fair skin evolved among peoples further away from the equator (e.g. northern Europe) as it allows for more UV radiation in.

Mankind is not divided into races, we are a gradient of shades and sorts; and we are all precious before God in whose image we are made.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Many CONVERTED Khazarian Jew-ISH Caucasian people may beg to differ. Also many Christians are convinced Abraham,Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David etc. were all sons of White/Caucasian Japheth, while the word clearly states that they were people of SHEM who lived in the land of HAM.

The "Khazar" theory doesn't account for the fact that the Jewish Diaspora includes all sorts, and that genetic studies have found Jewish communities across the world as sharing common links, such as the Y-Chromosomal Aaron marker.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Arthur Koestler admitted that Ashkenazim are not related to biblical Jews in his book The Thirteenth Tribe. And as we all know from reading the New Testament, it is written "beware of them who say they are Jews but are not". Significantly, those words appear just before the discussion about Armageddon and the end times.
 
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Why is Christianity considered a white man's religion when it began with Middle Eastern people? Paul, a Middle Eastern Jew, wrote in the New Testament about the Gospels being preached to the Japhetic/European/Caucasian peoples such as those in Rome and Tarsus. By the way, were those in Subsaharan Africa familiar with Christians or Christianity and did some of them became Christians before the Renaissance period, when black Africans were beginning to be uprooted in large numbers to the New World and the Middle East?

It is called (rightly or wrongly) a "white man's religion" for one main reason--it took hold among the whites of Europe and overwhelmingly remained their religion until recently. Others also converted to Christianity, of course, in Africa and Asia, but it was strongest and most influential in Europe (and later, its colonies).

Today that has changed and it's stronger in the Southern Hemisphere while most of Europe is post-Christian, but the term is still heard...because of the history of it.
 
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THAT'S THE EXACT TRUTH I WAS SAYING BUT I GET HATED FOR SPEAKINGTHE TRUTH AND CALLED "ANTI-SEMITIC" WHEN MODERN ASHKENAZI JEWS ADMIT THE TRUTH ABOUT THEMSELVES. IGNORANCE IS PREVALENT AMONGST SOME OF THESE RACIST WHITE X-TIANS. SMH



I have posted before but will state again for the record that my ancestry is Sefardic and that I can actually point to my family in the Bible. I agree that it is NOT anti-Semitic to point out the Truth you mentioned as Arthur Koestler and many others have already done so.

If we are to have a world of Peace we MUST adhere to biblical teaching. Not to Christian teaching. My hope is that people will have their eyes, minds, and hearts opened before it is too late.
 
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Isn't it true that for whatever reason, the 'winners' of many battles were white and the most educated people in the old days were white? It follows that they could create iconography in their own image doesn't it? the white iconography we see came from 'white' people, not from 'the only Christians'.
 
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