Questioning of Islam

Bushmaster said:

thanks for waiting on me patiently

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No problem - since I have been offline for a few days myself. My keyboard wasn't working properly.

Before I talk about this question, did I miss anything you asked earlier so far?

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No, you haven't.

I did realize Quran was a mechanical revelation -by its own claims and testimony of early Muslims that observed Muhammad- after I learnt about Christian Scriptures.

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Okay, thank you.

copticorthodoxy said:

Is there any verse in the new testament command us to spread the christianity by force ???????
by the way you didn't answer me why saudi Arabia doesn't allow to build churches

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i'm not sure why ? but i know that there are no christians in suidia , all christians there are foreign , visitors and workers

suidia not responsible to serve visitors and built for them what they want , it's a local politics not islamic politics .

elwill said:

i'm not sure why ? but i know that there are no christians in suidia , all christians there are foreign , visitors and workers.

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Maybe that's because if a Saudi admits he is a Christian he is executed under the Muslim Sharia.

copticorthodoxy said:

Answer me ?? why Amr ebn el Aes came to egypt with armies!!! to spread the religion of peace ??? if he came lonely what would happen !!!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt

with the restoration of Byzantine political control in 629, Emperor Heraclius began persecuting the Copts whom he considered Monophysites, expelling their patriarch (Oriental Orthodox are in fact miaphysites and not monophysites).

It was in the context of this state of affairs that an army of some 4,000 Arabs, led by Amr ibn al-As, was sent by the Caliph Umar to spread Islam in the land of the ancient pharaohs.


The ease with which this valuable province was wrenched from the Byzantine Empire appears to have been due to the treachery of the governor of Egypt, Cyrus [1], Melchite (i.e., Byzantine/Chalcedonian Orthodox, not Coptic) Patriarch of Alexandria, and the incompetence of the generals of the Byzantine forces.
Cyrus had persecuted the local Coptic Christians.


The Muslims were assisted by some Copts, who found the Muslims more tolerant than the Byzantines, and of these some turned to Islam.

In return for a tribute of money and food for the troops of occupation, the Christian inhabitants of Egypt were excused from military service and left free in the observance of their religion and the administration of their affairs.

Others sided with the Byzantines, hoping that they would provide a defense against the Arab invaders.

After the negotiated surrender, taxes were raised to a level which the Egyptians found unbearable, notably during the Umayyad era. Nevertheless, during Amr's lifetime the churches and people were not subjected to further assaults and were left in peace

'Amr the chief of the Moslem made his entry without effort into the city of Alexandria. And the inhabitants received him with respect; for they were in great tribulation and affliction... And 'Amr became stronger every day in every field of his activity. And he exacted the taxes which had been determined upon, but he took none of the property of the churches, and he committed no act of spoliation or plunder, and he preserved them throughout all his days.

Go and read about the Crusades, the British colonization, the genocide in Bosnia, and now the invasion of Iraq, the list is really long. You'll tell me, this has nothing to do with Christianity, I will tell you that if that priest was really killed by Muslims, this has nothing to do with Islam unless he attacked Muslims.

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I'll not answer your other comments because it says nothing !!

But lets pick this comment , where in the bible Jesus Christ ordered the christians to make crusades ??? i can show where in Quran your God ordered you to fight the unbelievers ..
Also it seems that you don't know that the Crusades was against the Eastern Christians also , they destroyed Constainpole where Eastern Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch present and destroyed its churches , also the Catholic Church apologised for the crusades ,, is there any muslim leader have the courage to apologise for the Islamic wars ?? for the Islamic terror ?? for the Armenian genocide which done by the Turkish !!!!

Go and read about the Spanish inquisitions

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By the way do you still think that spain is muslims country and the christians took it !!!! LOL

Spain is Christian country and the Christians redeemed it from you

or you'd better read deu 7:5.

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I could read it in spirtual way ...

First of all, you are talking as if you own the whole economy which is not the case, you own a large portion compared to your population, but still Muslims own most of the economy. Besides, please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say that I will come and destroy your companies, all what I meant that we will open companies that will be much better than yours, and we won't need your companies. That's what I meant, so don't try to play the role of the humble guy.

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Don't change your words ,.... i quoted it ...
you said .. it will get your companies down !!!!this shows to the world that the muslims prefer to live in ignorance and poverty than getting Christians companies !!
By the way , we control most of the economy ..we offer Jobs for all the Egyptians and help to improve our country to be the best

elwill said:

i'm not sure why ? but i know that there are no christians in suidia , all christians there are foreign , visitors and workers

suidia not responsible to serve visitors and built for them what they want , it's a local politics not islamic politics .

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Why Europe & USA build mosques !!!
The Europe muslims are from foreign roots also
how you could be sure that there are no Saudi christians ??? there is no religious freedom there so you can't be sure ...i feel that there are thousands of Saudi Christians ...

copticorthodoxy said:

I'll not answer your other comments because it says nothing !!

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Sorry? And what you chose is the one which says what you like. You couldn't answer my arguments, so you simply denied them. Next time, don't ask to apply reason.

copticorthodoxy said:

But lets pick this comment , where in the bible Jesus Christ ordered the christians to make crusades ??? i can show where in Quran your God ordered you to fight the unbelievers ..

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Read exactly what I said, it's in the same quote:

copticorthodoxy said:

You'll tell me, this has nothing to do with Christianity, I will tell you that if that priest was really killed by Muslims, this has nothing to do with Islam unless he attacked Muslims.

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Islam didn't order us to kill innocents, Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) told us that those who kill some one in a treaty or a dhimmi won't smell Heaven, and that if a Muslim gave a man a treaty then he killed him, the Prophet (Peace be upon him) would be innocent from him even if the man is a non-Muslim.
It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. ( Narrated by Muslim)

Abu Bakr advised Yazid, "I advise you ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly." (Muwatta')
This is Jihhad in Islam. We have nothing to do with massacres or mass murders for innocent people.

copticorthodoxy said:

By the way do you still think that spain is muslims country and the christians took it !!!! LOL

Spain is Christian country and the Christians redeemed it from you

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Really? Let me say what you said in last post:
The religion of love doesn't forgive its enemies. I wonder when I hear about Christian preachers talking about Christian love.
The Spanish were so barbarians who used to break treaties with Muslims, and held many massacres against Muslims and Jews. Read history and compare this and the OT with Islamic teachings in war.

copticorthodoxy said:

I could read it in spirtual way ...

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I have nothing to do with your spiritual way, you are saying that Jewish wars were for earthy reasons, this script disproves your point.

copticorthodoxy said:

Don't change your words ,.... i quoted it ...

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Read them again, I clearly said:

and In Sha' Allah, Muslims will wake up and have companies that will get your companies down.

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So this is all what I meant, we will get your companies down by having our own companies that we won't need your companies, please don't interpolate my words.

copticorthodoxy said:

Why Europe & USA build mosques !!!
The Europe muslims are from foreign roots also
how you could be sure that there are no Saudi christians ??? there is no religious freedom there so you can't be sure ...i feel that there are thousands of Saudi Christians ...

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sorry , i just trying to show you some of facts may be you didn't think about , but you free to trust whatever you hope to the truth

by the way , most of europe muslims are from europe roots who convert to islam , anyway even if their roots are foriegn , they become now europeans by nationality

elwill said:

sorry , i just trying to show you some of facts may be you didn't think about , but you free to trust whatever you hope to the truth

by the way , most of europe muslims are from europe roots who convert to islam , anyway even if their roots are foriegn , they become now europeans by nationality

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you mean the muslim Algerians in France ?? LOL

and In Sha' Allah, Muslims will wake up and have companies that will get your companies down.

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Why i should answer all your calims while you think in this way !!!
this is what you said .. What get down means !!! it has one meaning ...Islam fulls the hearts with hate for all the others
..Islam wants the the muslims to control the world ...earthy religion

I want to show all the world this video , this is a video for a famous Islamic channel , it shows how the muslims educate their little kids about the Christians & Jews !!!!!! so sad !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeTqheFnBM0