Question

[kiwiekat]

I was watching TV, and this guy killed another guy by punching him twice. It turns out that the killed guy was hurt by a previous injury, and that the punching triggered his death. The guy who killed him didn't intend to kill him though. So my question is, if that was a real case and the guy was Christian, would he be forgiven? Even if he did intend to kill the guy, would he be forgiven? When I was a kid, I was taught in Sunday School that when a Christian already knew he shouldn't murder, but he still did then he wouldn't be forgiven. However, doesn't the Bible says that all sins are forgiven...exept for the blasphemy of the Spirit? That leads me to another question, what is blasphemy of the Spirit?

Thanks.

 

[kyzar]

Good question... The bible does say though that all sins will be forgiven... Try looking at it like this. The bible says no one sin is greater or smaller than any other (all sins are equal in God's eyes)... If God can forgive me for lying, or swearing, or many 'minor' sins (not that there are any) then God can forgive me killing someone, or being adulterous... As Christians we know we shouldn't kill, be adulterous, lie etc... So I feel a whole lot more 'guilty' of sinning until i ask for forgiveness, but God will forigve me as He has promised to do...

 

[Sword-In-Hand]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the rejection of Christ as the Savior. It's like when you are in a service or just anywhere and you feel God calling you and you turn your back on Him and don't accept His call to salvation. That's why that is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. You have to have Christ to be forgiven in the first place and if reject Him, obviously you don't have Him for forgiveness.


And yes all sins are the same in God's eyes, but there are different levels of punishment. I.e. someone would be punished to a different degree for commiting say murder than someone else would be for telling a white lie, but both are still sins. David and Paul are prime examples of murderers who were forgiven. The Bible does however speak on knowingly sinning even though you are a Christian. When a Christian does this, then they are toying with God's wrath being poured out on them.

 

[kyzar]

The Bible does however speak on knowingly sinning even though you are a Christian. When a Christian does this, then they are toying with God's wrath being poured out on them.

I agree with the punishment etc. and pushing God. But I was simply saying that God will forigve any sin (except for rejection as you pointed out) if you truely come to Him asking forgiveness...

 

[daveleau]

If he had intended to kill him, he would have been forgiven. There is a sin that is no forgiven, which is the sin of the unsaved.

God bless,
Dave

 

[ZiSunka]

I was watching TV, and this guy killed another guy by punching him twice. It turns out that the killed guy was hurt by a previous injury, and that the punching triggered his death. The guy who killed him didn't intend to kill him though. So my question is, if that was a real case and the guy was Christian, would he be forgiven? Even if he did intend to kill the guy, would he be forgiven? When I was a kid, I was taught in Sunday School that when a Christian already knew he shouldn't murder, but he still did then he wouldn't be forgiven. However, doesn't the Bible says that all sins are forgiven...exept for the blasphemy of the Spirit? That leads me to another question, what is blasphemy of the Spirit?

Thanks.

Why on earth would a Christian be punching another person??

 

[12volt_man]

So my question is, if that was a real case and the guy was Christian, would he be forgiven? Even if he did intend to kill the guy, would he be forgiven?

Did he repent and ask for forgiveness through Christ?

When I was a kid, I was taught in Sunday School that when a Christian already knew he shouldn't murder, but he still did then he wouldn't be forgiven.

I don't believe that's true. Every one of us knows what God's laws are when we break them.

There's a big difference between a momentary moral lapse and a lifestyle of willfully disobedient sin.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Why on earth would a Christian be punching another person??

Maybe it was a Christian boxing club. Although that does give new meaning to "turn the other cheek".

 

[ZiSunka]

When I was a kid, I was taught in Sunday School that when a Christian already knew he shouldn't murder, but he still did then he wouldn't be forgiven.

You must have gone to a Jehovah's Witness, because it is what they believe.

 

[jenptcfan]

God is able to forgive any sin (except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit). Christians slip up and sin, even after they are saved, and God is faithful to forgive us.

 

[Sword-In-Hand]

I'm a Christian and I punch people all the time, but only in sparring matches

 

[kiwiekat]

Oh thanks. The show wasn't real, but it just got me wondering about God. I probably heard wrong about the murder thing in Sunday School.

I have another question, if somebody is already saved can the Holy Spirit leave that person?

 

[Sword-In-Hand]

I have another question, if somebody is already saved can the Holy Spirit leave that person?

No!!

Ephesians 4:30, “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”

 

[kiwiekat]

Thank you!

I have another question (yet again)...do Christians go through the tribulation? I heard that some think that the rapture comes before, and some thinks it comes after...which is it? If so, does it mean Christians at that time could fall away? "And at that time many will fall away and will deliver up one another and hate one another.... "But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved." (Matthew 24:10, 13) If they do, are they destined to hell?

 

[MbiaJc]

I was watching TV, and this guy killed another guy by punching him twice. It turns out that the killed guy was hurt by a previous injury, and that the punching triggered his death. The guy who killed him didn't intend to kill him though. So my question is, if that was a real case and the guy was Christian, would he be forgiven? Even if he did intend to kill the guy, would he be forgiven? When I was a kid, I was taught in Sunday School that when a Christian already knew he shouldn't murder, but he still did then he wouldn't be forgiven. However, doesn't the Bible says that all sins are forgiven...exept for the blasphemy of the Spirit? That leads me to another question, what is blasphemy of the Spirit?

Thanks.

The answer to the first question: I believe yes.

Second question: Unbelief, not believing the Holy Spirit when He is trying to teach you is one way. Another is to contribut the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil.

I have another question (yet again)...do Christians go through the tribulation? I heard that some think that the rapture comes before, and some thinks it comes after...which is it? If so, does it mean Christians at that time could fall away? "And at that time many will fall away and will deliver up one another and hate one another.... "But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved." (Matthew 24:10, 13) If they do, are they destined to hell?

I think not, the rapture is just before the tribulation.

The falling away is, falling away from sound doctrine. Having etching ears to hear what they won't to hear rather than what thus saith the Lord. I think we are already in the great falling away. For how many Churches the last few years have changed their doctring. To allow wonen, gays and lesbians as preachers\pastors. Also denying God's word by saying most of Genises is fables and fiction. That a lot of Paul's writings are not authorative, they are just his openion. And a lot more which is conturary to God's word the Bible.

 

[kiwiekat]

Hi, thanks for your reply. What does it mean to contribute the work of the Spirit to the devil? I hope a Christian can't do that...?

Also, the women being preachers, gay marriages...how come people think that when someone doesn't have these rights that it's unfair? I mean for the role of women according to the Bible, isn't it made for the sake of order rather than to limit their freedom?

 

[Sword-In-Hand]

Hi, thanks for your reply. What does it mean to contribute the work of the Spirit to the devil? I hope a Christian can't do that...?

Also, the women being preachers, gay marriages...how come people think that when someone doesn't have these rights that it's unfair? I mean for the role of women according to the Bible, isn't it made for the sake of order rather than to limit their freedom?

Well in the last days there will be many false prophets who claim they are doing God's work when in fact they are doing Satan's. Christians can, although I hope it is because of ignorance, contribute to the devil's work. Gossip, backbiting, teaching false doctrine, uplifting oneself instead of another and basically anything else that tears down the kingdom of heaven is doing Satan's work.

People think it is unfair because of the term known as "political correctness." This invention has helped society decline ever since it became popularized. In general people don't want what God thinks is best for them because we are ourselves and what we want is surely better than what God wants for us. *Please note the sarcasm * They don't want to hold on to the truth of the Bible because it doesn't suit their needs and usually what parts of the Bible they do hold onto are so twisted out of order that its hardly a remnant of what it really says. God has roles for us and He gives us guidelines, it should be only smart of us to follow the only Creator of the universe.

 

[kiwiekat]

Thank you, I'm learning a lot!!!

So for the tribulation (it's so scary), what are the verses that say Christians won't go through it?

 

[FranklinNoble]

These are great questions, and good answers.

 

[MbiaJc]

Hi, thanks for your reply. What does it mean to contribute the work of the Spirit to the devil? I hope a Christian can't do that...?

Also, the women being preachers, gay marriages...how come people think that when someone doesn't have these rights that it's unfair? I mean for the role of women according to the Bible, isn't it made for the sake of order rather than to limit their freedom?

Well the best example I would think is when, the works that Jesus was doing, was said to be done by the power of the devil. Mathew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.


Yes and its only when the whole Church has come together. In my view the woman is actually elevated higher than the man. For she is to teach the children and young women. Now think about it if she doesn't do her job, then how can the man do his job. I credit my faith to my mother, grandmother, and a old maid sundy school teacher + when I was a teenager a saintly woman sunday school teacher. Not my dady or grandpaw or any preacher when you get right down to it.

As for the gays they choose that lifestyle, they are not born that way, so I don't see where they deserve any special treatment. Rather should be condemned for their ungodly lifestyle.