I believe that the best way to understand each other is by communication so here it goes. I know that conservative Christians are stereotypically believe that those that aren't of the faith will go to hell is this true.
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Yes, those that die unbelievers will not be saved. It is easily solvable. The solution is a free gift. Would you like how to receive this free gift?
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Yes i am a little curious on how to receive said gift. But if that is true it means many great men from history are in hell how is that possible? examples Gandhi, Thomas Jefferson, Einstein etc.
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If those "great" men of history died in unbelieve then yes, they were not saved. The reason is that men that do not believe or accept God's love are merely doing deeds for their own glorification instead of for God's glorification. BTW- Let me qualify my statements with the fact that no one except God knows their hearts, therefore, we do not know if the people you cited were actually, not potentially, saved.
The way to receive God's free gift of salvation is to receive Him into your heart. God's grace takes care of the rest.
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Everyone falls short of being a truly good person. We cannot cancel out our own sins with good deeds or great contributions to society. God's holiness and purity do not let him employ a sliding scale to let people into Heaven. So what has to happen is for your sins to be canceled out by what Jesus Christ did with his death and resurrection.
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Do you mean to say that all you have to do to get into heaven is accept Jesus christ as your savior?!?
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Yes. God's grace does the rest. All of your sins are canceled by the judicial grace of God. But the key is that you actually have to believe with all of you heart, all of your soul, and all of your mind.
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Imagine a scenario in which there is a man we will call him Sam. Sam is a good boy and grows up to be a firefighter who saves many lives and often anonymously donates to different charity funds. He also denies god in every form way or fashion he despises god for some reason. He has done good things with his life and saved many people but he will burn eternally in agony. I know that you said it is impossible to be a perfect being but shouldn't you try!!!!
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The thing is that the bible tell us that there is no one without sin, no one. An infinite, just God demands punishment for sins. All sins are against God. All of them. Any person that dies not believing will not be saved.
I realize that it is hard to understand simply because you are using a finite, man made bar by which to judge goodness, but God is infinite goodness and His is "the" moral bar.
I realize that it is hard to understand simply because you are using a finite, man made bar by which to judge goodness, but God is infinite goodness and His is "the" moral bar.
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Is everything in the bible true? I know i used to believe that but I'm not sure now. do you have any none christian friends Hentenza because i do and I would rather burn myself then let them burn
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And if you're God, why should you let him into your house. He's had his chances to believe in you, a fair amount of them. You've sent your people, envoy after envoy, as it were, but your invite was rejected time after time for his whole life. Why do you want his company? What morally obligates you to endure his company? Nothing, so you do not let him into your house. His stubbornness has chosen "outside, in the darkness, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth."
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So if you were god just because someone doesn't like you means they deserve eternal pain!!? Do all denominations of Christianity believe this?!?
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I believe that every teaching in the bible is true. I also believe that every letter, word, and sentence are true but only in the original writings.
I do have several friends and family members that are not believers. All I can do is pray for them that they will accept the Lord. By the same thought, I have had close family members that have died believers, like my Dad, and is such a joy to know that I will see him and then soon. It makes death much more bearable.
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But he loves us he you make exceptions for people you love. Does god have no mercy? An why is he not worthy he led a morally excellent life. Do all denominations agree with you?
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But i've found some contradictions in the text for example We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)
and yes it's easy for me to say but god is perfect he should be able to
do all denominations believe this
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)
and yes it's easy for me to say but god is perfect he should be able to
do all denominations believe this
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The teaching is common to mainstream Christianity. There are groups that depart from the teachings of the bible that might believe otherwise.
God has revealed Himself both in nature, general revelation, and in the scripture, special revelation. Everyone can freely choose to accept Him and also to reject them. God will not force His love on anyone since forced love is no love at all. The opportunity to choose God through faith is now in this life. Faith is necessary for salvation. Once a person die and have rejected God then faith is meaningless.
CS Lewis, the famous writer atheist turned Christian, wrote that there are two kinds of people, those who say to God "Thy will be done", and those who God will say "Thy will be done". The choice is ours.
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But if you choose not to "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" or "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death"
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