Question to Calvinist

[skeptic7]

I am interested in learning more about Calvinism. So i have some questions. The first is this....

Why is there an unforgiveable sin (blasphemy of the holy spirit) if God already isn't going to elect you, and lets you do your evil desires, wouldn't you already not being going to heaven, therefore you arn't forgiven of your sins because you never asked, because you never were chosen?

I look forward to your replies. Thank you.


-Kyle

 

[steve@OU]

Here lets look at Hebrews 10:38 - "Now the just shall live by faith: if any man draw back, My soul shall have no pleasure in him."

Another example in Hebrews 10:26 - "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

The opposite of faith is drawing away in sin, which nothing can be more contrary. The truest character of faith is one that draws a believer into an utmost obedience to the Almighty, even when drawn away by the sinful lust of his own nature.

God uses warnings, such as these above, to secure the salvation of the elect. In these verses, the author addresses Christians with conditional statements on the covenant. To draw a conclusion from this statement that the elect can fall away, or draw back into sin, would err and would not be legitimate. Such an argument, would completely contradict John 10 as Jesus states that the sheep shall never perish and Romans 8 as Paul writes that nothing can separate us from the love of God.

Therefore, the author in Hebrews affirms this position as he writes in Hebrews 10:39 - "But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul."

I hope this helps your quest for the truth! May the Lord bless you tonight.


In Him,
steve

 

[CoffeeSwirls]

Hebrews 6:4-6 is a difficult read for anyone who believes that once a person has been saved they are always saved no matter what. I believe that a part of the problem here is that people only read those verses and are so stunned by them that they don’t give the following verses their due. Verses 7-8 continue to say that a farmer will destroy a field of thistles and thorns, but enjoy a field that bears fruit. The same rain falls on both fields. They each receive the same sunlight. Why is one a good field and the other a bad field? Perhaps this passage is a comparison of two people. One who has been granted saving faith and the other has made an outward showing of it, attending church and contributing where they could, but never having believed. They may believe in Jesus, but not on Jesus. Verse 9 speaks about how the church who received the letter was meant for better things than destruction, things that come with salvation. There’s the clincher! Things that come with salvation!

I’m sure this isn’t the end of this discussion, but that is my stance. Those who are apostate have been holding the societal line, many for their entire lives, but theirs wasn’t a saving faith that led them to salvation in Christ alone, through faith alone, by grace alone. If verses 4-6 are used to argue against this point, all I can say is to keep reading.

 

[Barraco]

Here lets look at Hebrews 10:38 - "Now the just shall live by faith: if any man draw back, My soul shall have no pleasure in him."

Another example in Hebrews 10:26 - "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

The opposite of faith is drawing away in sin, which nothing can be more contrary. The truest character of faith is one that draws a believer into an utmost obedience to the Almighty, even when drawn away by the sinful lust of his own nature.

God uses warnings, such as these above, to secure the salvation of the elect. In these verses, the author addresses Christians with conditional statements on the covenant. To draw a conclusion from this statement that the elect can fall away, or draw back into sin, would err and would not be legitimate. Such an argument, would completely contradict John 10 as Jesus states that the sheep shall never perish and Romans 8 as Paul writes that nothing can separate us from the love of God.

Therefore, the author in Hebrews affirms this position as he writes in Hebrews 10:39 - "But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul."

I hope this helps your quest for the truth! May the Lord bless you tonight.


In Him,
steve

then someone should address that most of the Church isn't gonna make it then. If we sin, then we are all doomed. We all have bitter thoughts and none of us is perfect.
I think a more reasonable way to put it is, perdition awaits those of a depraved mind, who have no remorse for their sins even though they know they sin.
We cannot condemn a generation who isn't taught rightly in the first place.
I think our generation should safeguard each other by helping each other out, like a wingman for example. We gotta watch each other's back lest one should fall away from faith.
I would seriously question predestination for it is only mentioned that three men are destined to perdition(Judas, the beast, and the false prophet). God Bless.

 

[reformedfan]

one that's the elect isn't guilty of the unforgivable sin, obviously

 

[CalvinOwen]

I am interested in learning more about Calvinism. So i have some questions. The first is this....

Why is there an unforgiveable sin (blasphemy of the holy spirit) if God already isn't going to elect you, and lets you do your evil desires, wouldn't you already not being going to heaven, therefore you arn't forgiven of your sins because you never asked, because you never were chosen?

I look forward to your replies. Thank you.


-Kyle

Why did Jesus appoint Judas as an Apostle when He knew he would betray Him?

Why did God send Jesus to Israel to be their Savior when He knew they would reject Him?

Why did God command Pharoah to "let His people go" and at the same time harden Pharoah's heart?

Why did God send bloodthirsty pagans to punish Israel and then punish the pagans for what they did to Israel?

Why does God command us to keep His Laws when He knows we can't?

Why did God create Satan?

Why did God create the tree of knowledge and put it in the garden?

Why did Christ warn the Jews of their unbelief when He knew they would never believe?

Why did Christ warn some people of hell when He knew they would never go to hell?

Christ warned of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit because it was/is the unforgiveable sin, this was a warning to the elect that drove many to salvation and a warning to the non-elect as to the reason for their damnation.

 

[reformedfan]

Romans 9:10-24 answers all those questions