• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
  • We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

Question to Atheists

F

fuji

Guest
I just want to say right from the start that I love that you guys are here.

My question is, why?

For me personally, I usually only join forums if they are about something that interests me or I am involved in.

For example, another forum I comment on from time to time is based around a hobby of mine. I like the topics and I also use it to improve my hobby. I do have to say that the people that claim they are atheists in this forum, for the most part are pretty respectful not just to Christians, but humans in general, so thank you for that.

But anyways, back to my original question, why are you guys here?
 
F

fuji

Guest
I have a counter question...

Why do we have to revisit this question every few weeks? I know I've already answered it several times on other threads. Is the search function inoperable?

Sure. The answer is I had no idea, sorry.

I don't come this often to this section of the forums.

Its cool if you dont want to answer, I was just curious, so no biggie.
 
Upvote 0

hollyda

To read makes our speaking English good
Mar 25, 2011
1,255
155
One Square Foot of Real Estate
✟32,448.00
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Sure. The answer is I had no idea, sorry.

I don't come this often to this section of the forums.

Its cool if you dont want to answer, I was just curious, so no biggie.

Sorry for my abruptness. I just finished ghosting another thread where this was the topic. It just seems to resurface every so often, with mostly the same responses.

I enjoy debating hot topics. I live in the United States, where the Christian religion heavily influences policy, politics, and social issues. Therefore I come here to both debate and challenge myself on my beliefs. It keeps me informed on my own reasons for believing what I do. It makes me fact-check things I believe to be true. Also, I've made friends here.
 
Upvote 0

Eudaimonist

I believe in life before death!
Jan 1, 2003
27,482
2,738
59
American resident of Sweden
Visit site
✟134,256.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Libertarian
But anyways, back to my original question, why are you guys here?

It's a small, small world. We need to avoid avoiding each other.


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
Upvote 0

jayem

Naturalist
Jun 24, 2003
15,429
7,166
74
St. Louis, MO.
✟426,066.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
I have an interest in ethics--biomedical ethics especially. I served on a hospital ethics committee, and was referred here by a colleague who said this site had an active ethics forum. Though it's not focused on biomedical topics in particular, I enjoyed the discussions. I post on other message boards, too. It's fun to exchange ideas with others. It also sharpens your thinking and improves your writing skills.
 
Upvote 0

Paradoxum

Liberty, Equality, Solidarity!
Sep 16, 2011
10,712
654
✟43,188.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Liberal-Democrats
I'm here because I'm not sure what I believe, but I enjoy discussions with people who disagree with me. Also I use discussions to improve my understanding of a subject.

I served on a hospital ethics committee, and was referred here by a colleague who said this site had an active ethics forum.

What sort of qualifications/ experience do you need to be on a ethics committee?
 
Upvote 0

briareos

Well-Known Member
Mar 11, 2011
4,254
267
Fort Bragg, NC
✟6,085.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Constitution
I just want to say right from the start that I love that you guys are here.

My question is, why?

For me personally, I usually only join forums if they are about something that interests me or I am involved in.

For example, another forum I comment on from time to time is based around a hobby of mine. I like the topics and I also use it to improve my hobby. I do have to say that the people that claim they are atheists in this forum, for the most part are pretty respectful not just to Christians, but humans in general, so thank you for that.

But anyways, back to my original question, why are you guys here?

If I may I would like to answer also.

I think part of the problem with some Christians is that they are incredibly possessive of the context of God. This not only stems from their admiration and fidelity to the belief, but also occasionally a selfishness that says contrary view points and opinions have no value or relevance. They simply don't want to hear what other people think, they use the argument of "theme" that non-believers don't really belong in the discussion to mask a very different purpose, to foster an environment suitable for themselves and to squash different opinions. It not only serves to corral and foster good discussion at times, it serves as a means to silence others.

Christianity is something that has effected us all, regardless of our choices and beliefs. Christianity is something that spans so many issues, it serves to touch on so many door steps and lifestyles, it cannot be contained to those who agree with it. Christianity is something that effects the very roots of some nation's foundations. Wars have been fought, lives have been lost over these issues. Religion is something that has delicately infiltrated all of our lives for better or worse.

Those who refuse to embrace it still have much opportunity to be concerned with it, to have thoughts on it, to find it interesting. I also think that the more experience you have with those who do not agree with you, the more you discover people that are absolutely brilliant people regardless of their belief and to not value discussion with those people is unfortunate and foolish.

Just as it may interest you that a group of atheists chat about how they find no reason in your choices, that they cannot imagine why you do the things you do, atheists can find it just as reasonable to find it interesting that we Christians do not understand them and that is absolutely a common case, Christians often do not understand them.

Philosophy is fascinating, regardless of your own decisions. Not every atheist is concerned with the destruction of Christianity or God. Not every Christian is concerned with the inquisition of atheism.

For those who are aware of what Atheism is and is not, and choose to accept the label atheism, that requires a choice, that requires a conscious recognition of your position toward religious beliefs, often one surrounded by emotional cliffs and valleys, it is often littered with experiences, problems, discoveries, choices, lines drawn in the sand, decisions made, and religion is very much at the center of it all.
Just because they have no or disregarded their fidelity to religion is by no means a reason for us to expect it to not concern them, often it is quite the contrary and sometimes those people who've been through much but came to different conclusions than our own can give us an extremely valuable new light on a subject.
 
Upvote 0

Skaloop

Agnostic atheist, pro-choice anti-abortion
May 10, 2006
16,332
899
49
Burnaby
Visit site
✟44,046.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-NDP
For me personally, I usually only join forums if they are about something that interests me or I am involved in.

I think that goes for pretty much everyone. And even though I am an atheist, I am interested in religion and Christianity especially (since it is the primary religion of my culture).

For example, another forum I comment on from time to time is based around a hobby of mine. I like the topics and I also use it to improve my hobby. I do have to say that the people that claim they are atheists in this forum, for the most part are pretty respectful not just to Christians, but humans in general, so thank you for that.

But anyways, back to my original question, why are you guys here?

I originally came here for discussion/debate about evolution. Then my wife suggested I explore more than just that topic, since if I was going to be outspoken or critical of Christianity, I should learn more about it. I've stuck around because I find the forums to be fun and I get a lot of different viewpoints on all sorts of issues.
 
Upvote 0

briareos

Well-Known Member
Mar 11, 2011
4,254
267
Fort Bragg, NC
✟6,085.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Constitution
When you lose the notion that Atheists and Christians are enemies and that they are irreducibly different beyond all means of relation and reconciliation... it will become less surprising that they discuss and travel together.

Though this often requires discovery that people who don't venture far from home cannot ever make.
 
Upvote 0

Satine

Life Troubleshooter
Jun 26, 2008
99
8
Visit site
✟22,774.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
In Relationship
For me it's a variety of things, but what originally brought me here was this. I'm about to be a bit long-winded; ready?

About eight years ago a Christian friend of mine, who tended to go to a lot of help forums, invited me to one he was in going through a stage of visiting. It was a small Christian forum called The Narrow Road. I looked around on it and answered a few posts.

Now, TNR was/is for teens who have problems they want to talk about, and although it was originally run by... someone, I'm not sure whom, the mods had generally gone away, with just a couple of them visiting once in a blue moon. This meant that whatever problem one teen posed (my life feels awful and I just want to commit suicide; why shouldn't I take drugs; my brother abuses me; etc.) the answer was pretty much always the same: pray/read a bit of the Bible, have stronger faith. For the suicide posts the response seemed always to be a slightly panicked, 'don't give up! You've got so much to live for!' or the occasional 'if you commit suicide you're committing the worst sin possible'.

Now, given that I have been an atheist for a long time so I've never looked to the Bible for solutions to my life problems (except for a few weeks/months, but that's another story), other solutions occurred to me with a lot of these problems. So I answered.

I am getting to the point, I promise. Bear with me!

I went back a couple of days later to see what had been posted since then. A few members had posted to say to me, 'you can't say that!' but a few had posted to say, 'Oh! Now, that's a really good idea!' So I posted a few more replies, and it all snowballed from there.

TNR continues to be as Christian a forum as it can be, but as it stands the owners have long-since deserted and I'm by far the oldest regular member there, so because I've been through a lot of the 'teen problems' a few times over, I'm pretty well-versed in practical solutions. We get a slow, constant through-traffic of new members, over half of whom are Christian if the content of their posts is anything to go by, plus a few who are angrily antitheistic. A few of the regular members are Christians and some simply don't seem to have said either way. The siite itself has a range of Christian articles.

So it's a strange situation but the end result is there's an atheist essentially in charge of a Christian forum. My position on this, these days, is: I'm not saying you shouldn't be Christian if that's what you want. But I refuse to believe - and will challenge - that faith is the only way to solve a problem. Pray if you wish to, but while you're going through a regime of prayer you may also want to try this other solution. And, once a new member recognises that's the way we do it over there, many settle down very nicely.

I don't want to argue against a person being Christian, I just feel passionately that a person should have a broad repertoire of responses they can have to a given problem. I believe that the wider your possible range of responses, the stronger, happier and safer person you will be.

TNR's only little and it goes through stages of not having any new posts, so when I feel like doing my agony aunt bit and there isn't anything to add to on there, I go to other forums, this one included. Occasionally I get reported for responding to a Christians-only thread, but if I see a problem mentioned where I think, 'it just needs an extra bit of information, or an observation to be made', then I'll do it. This forum is pretty good at being accepting that way. I've certainly encountered more puritanical forums.

Phew! And that's my reasoning.
 
Upvote 0

jayem

Naturalist
Jun 24, 2003
15,429
7,166
74
St. Louis, MO.
✟426,066.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
What sort of qualifications/ experience do you need to be on a ethics committee?


For our committee, you have to be a hospital staff member or employee. But not just on the medical or nursing staff. We had people from social services, from legal, from pastoral counseling, from administration, and others. You want a variety of disciplines represented. You have to be willing to attend monthly meetings, and be available to work on subcommittees and special projects as needed. But we would pretty much let anyone serve who had the interest, and could make the committment. We didn't require any special training or experience. A number of places offer courses in basic biomedical ethics. I attended the program at Georgetown. It requires 5 days in residence. On-line courses are also available.
 
Upvote 0

Ken-1122

Newbie
Jan 30, 2011
13,574
1,792
✟240,710.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
I just want to say right from the start that I love that you guys are here.

My question is, why?

For me personally, I usually only join forums if they are about something that interests me or I am involved in.

For example, another forum I comment on from time to time is based around a hobby of mine. I like the topics and I also use it to improve my hobby. I do have to say that the people that claim they are atheists in this forum, for the most part are pretty respectful not just to Christians, but humans in general, so thank you for that.

But anyways, back to my original question, why are you guys here?
The reason I join Christian forums is because on such forums (this one included) Christians will often discuss Atheists and when they do this I feel they are talking about me, so I read what they say;, and if I disagree with what they say I will join and post my point of view.

If Christians were only discussing God, Jesus, getting saved, and being a good Christian on these forums, I would not be here and I doubt many other atheists would be either, but because they discuss other things like atheism, which affects how people perceive us; and politics, which affects the laws that we must live under; and education, which affects how our children are taught; etc. Atheists such as me feel an obligation to present a different point of view, because of we sit back and do nothing, everybody will assume what they say is true.

I believe Atheists posting on Christian forums has changed the attitudes Christians have towards Atheists to a large extent. I’ve joined several forums over the years, and these forums usually have a religious section which is also visited by Atheists, and when I compare what Christians were saying about Atheists 8-10 years ago compared to what they say on forums today there is a big difference; more Christians acknowledge atheists can be moral and decent people, that we are not just angry at God or just looking to get a rise out of people, and even though they disagree with our POV they seem to give us a little more respect than they did 10 years ago.

Where I live there used to be preachers standing on street corners yelling bible scriptures at people as they walk by and telling them if they don’t seek Jesus they are going to burn in Hell! Now they have been reduced to just handing out religious tracks; no more preaching any more.

Years ago an atheist friend of mine told me of religious people going door to door and eventually coming to his house and upon finding out he was Atheist they spent too much time trying to convert him. A couple of months ago some “Mormons” came to my house and upon finding out I don’t believe in God they made no attempts to convert me; they just gave me a track and said if I change my mind give them a call.

I believe there has been a change in the way Christians view Atheists over the years and I believe Atheists debating Christians on internet forums has been a significant part of that change

Peace
Ken
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jade Margery
Upvote 0

briareos

Well-Known Member
Mar 11, 2011
4,254
267
Fort Bragg, NC
✟6,085.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Constitution
Ken-1122

I think that was a great response and I think you are right. I also think the dilution of the "hardcore" christian community due to Christian's abandoning the faith, and those people's stories, testimonies, thoughts, etc... change the atmosphere over time. They influence their friends and loved ones.

It's similar to parents or people becoming sympathetic toward homosexuals for the single reason that they discovered their children or friends to be that, it's harder to oppose something that is someone you understand and appreciate.
 
Upvote 0

razeontherock

Well-Known Member
May 24, 2010
26,546
1,480
WI
✟35,597.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
For me it's a variety of things, but what originally brought me here was this. I'm about to be a bit long-winded; ready?

About eight years ago a Christian friend of mine, who tended to go to a lot of help forums, invited me to one he was in going through a stage of visiting. It was a small Christian forum called The Narrow Road. I looked around on it and answered a few posts.

Now, TNR was/is for teens who have problems they want to talk about, and although it was originally run by... someone, I'm not sure whom, the mods had generally gone away, with just a couple of them visiting once in a blue moon. This meant that whatever problem one teen posed (my life feels awful and I just want to commit suicide; why shouldn't I take drugs; my brother abuses me; etc.) the answer was pretty much always the same: pray/read a bit of the Bible, have stronger faith. For the suicide posts the response seemed always to be a slightly panicked, 'don't give up! You've got so much to live for!' or the occasional 'if you commit suicide you're committing the worst sin possible'.

Now, given that I have been an atheist for a long time so I've never looked to the Bible for solutions to my life problems (except for a few weeks/months, but that's another story), other solutions occurred to me with a lot of these problems. So I answered.

I am getting to the point, I promise. Bear with me!

I went back a couple of days later to see what had been posted since then. A few members had posted to say to me, 'you can't say that!' but a few had posted to say, 'Oh! Now, that's a really good idea!' So I posted a few more replies, and it all snowballed from there.

TNR continues to be as Christian a forum as it can be, but as it stands the owners have long-since deserted and I'm by far the oldest regular member there, so because I've been through a lot of the 'teen problems' a few times over, I'm pretty well-versed in practical solutions. We get a slow, constant through-traffic of new members, over half of whom are Christian if the content of their posts is anything to go by, plus a few who are angrily antitheistic. A few of the regular members are Christians and some simply don't seem to have said either way. The siite itself has a range of Christian articles.

So it's a strange situation but the end result is there's an atheist essentially in charge of a Christian forum. My position on this, these days, is: I'm not saying you shouldn't be Christian if that's what you want. But I refuse to believe - and will challenge - that faith is the only way to solve a problem. Pray if you wish to, but while you're going through a regime of prayer you may also want to try this other solution. And, once a new member recognises that's the way we do it over there, many settle down very nicely.

I don't want to argue against a person being Christian, I just feel passionately that a person should have a broad repertoire of responses they can have to a given problem. I believe that the wider your possible range of responses, the stronger, happier and safer person you will be.

TNR's only little and it goes through stages of not having any new posts, so when I feel like doing my agony aunt bit and there isn't anything to add to on there, I go to other forums, this one included. Occasionally I get reported for responding to a Christians-only thread, but if I see a problem mentioned where I think, 'it just needs an extra bit of information, or an observation to be made', then I'll do it. This forum is pretty good at being accepting that way. I've certainly encountered more puritanical forums.

Phew! And that's my reasoning.

:thumbsup: You're the type of atheist I enjoy conversing with the most!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Satine
Upvote 0

Eudaimonist

I believe in life before death!
Jan 1, 2003
27,482
2,738
59
American resident of Sweden
Visit site
✟134,256.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Libertarian
If Christians were only discussing God, Jesus, getting saved, and being a good Christian on these forums, I would not be here and I doubt many other atheists would be either, but because they discuss other things like atheism, which affects how people perceive us; and politics, which affects the laws that we must live under; and education, which affects how our children are taught; etc. Atheists such as me feel an obligation to present a different point of view, because of we sit back and do nothing, everybody will assume what they say is true.

I believe Atheists posting on Christian forums has changed the attitudes Christians have towards Atheists to a large extent. I’ve joined several forums over the years, and these forums usually have a religious section which is also visited by Atheists, and when I compare what Christians were saying about Atheists 8-10 years ago compared to what they say on forums today there is a big difference; more Christians acknowledge atheists can be moral and decent people, that we are not just angry at God or just looking to get a rise out of people, and even though they disagree with our POV they seem to give us a little more respect than they did 10 years ago.

Awesome post! And to think I've lived long enough to see these changes. I hope I've contributed in at least some modest way to them. That's certainly the result I was hoping for.


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
Upvote 0