Question of the week quicky.

[BT]

Here is a quicky question of the week. Sorry for the skipping and the delaying, but you've all probably read my posts and know that I'm going primarily sleepless and am on baby-watch.

So here is a question to give us something to think about.

OPEN TO ALL BAPTIST/ANABAPTIST ONLY

In speaking of a particularily unique event in his own life Paul tells us:

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.


The person in this verse (whom we feel is Paul) was caught up to the third
heaven.

What is the third heaven, explain it in relation to other heavens.


Anyone of any level can answer this question. Reward 200 blessings.



BONUS QUESTION OPEN TO ALL BAPTIST/ANABAPTIST ONLY

Jesus had several titles on the earth. The title that he ascribed to Himself was "Son of man". Why did He give himself this title, what does this title tell us about Jesus?

(This answer is open to interpretation... I'll take the best one, or a combination)


Reward 150 blessings.


Ok, I'll try to check back as often as I can to see how this is running, and to give nudges if required .


Now 'git

 

[NicodemusPrime]

Heres my best attempt. Be gentle.

-Earth is obviously earth as we know it.
-Paradise is the abode of disembodied spirits awating the resurrection.
-Third Heaven is to be the final home of the redeemed in our resurrection bodies and is thought to be even more glorious than paradise.

In I Corinthians 15 and I Thessalonians 4 the resurrection body is connect with the coming of christ; so the faithful who die before then await resurrection in paradise and will eventually be sent to Third Heaven in thier new bodies.

So Paradise better than Earth and Third Heaven is greater than Paradise.

 

[NicodemusPrime]

Bonus attempt. I have no definite answer so here goes. Again be gentle.

Under the law of Moses a man's next of kin could pay debts on his behalf. this is sometimes known as the kinsman-redeemer. If a man was in destitute his kinsman could redeem him by paying his debts. If a man was enslaved his kinsman could buy him out of bondage. If a man died before bearing a son his next of kin could marry his widow and sire a hier thus redeeming him.

Jesus was "the son of man" or "one as a man" and by becoming a man and shedding his blood for us he became our kin or kinsman-redeemer. We were in debt because of sin and Jesus redeemed us by paying our debt through his sacrifice.

 

[kyzar]

I ask as did Nicodemus Prime, be gentle,

The third heaven as I see it, is paradise as seen in verse 4. This paradise is where elievers are, and will go after death, to be with God for eternity. In relation to other 'Heavens' I view it as HEAVEN, the HEAVEN we speak of in Revelations. It is past the 'Heavens' of the earth (atmosphere) and beyond the further heavens of outer space and the constellations to God Himself, Hebrews 4:14 states that the Lord passed 'through the heavens' to be with God...

There you are...

 

[scham]

I throw my lot with Kyzar, in the bible i describes 3 heavens, 1 is earths atmosphere, the second is space itself ( hence the saying " look to the heavens") and the last is heaven as we know it, where God dwells, although all these will be destroyed when God makes the new heaven and earth.
As for the Son of Man Q? I will get back to you on thursday when I,m newt able to get on my works comp, as at present I don't have my bible with me to look and find out.

 

[jcright]

BONUS QUESTION OPEN TO ALL BAPTIST/ANABAPTIST ONLY

Jesus had several titles on the earth. The title that he ascribed to Himself was "Son of man". Why did He give himself this title, what does this title tell us about Jesus?

(This answer is open to interpretation... I'll take the best one, or a combination)

When I hear "Son of Man", I always think back to Daniel 7:13. This, to me, was a very important verse...it helped me see the flaw in the Christian Science thinking. Anyhow, I think this is one of the prophecies telling of Jesus coming and how he will be "like the Son of Man". Jesus mentions quite a few times about fulfilling prophecy...so I've always thought that one of the reasons he calls himself Son of Man is because of Daniel. Probably a stretch, but that's been my thought.

 

[BT]

I ask as did Nicodemus Prime, be gentle,

The third heaven as I see it, is paradise as seen in verse 4. This paradise is where elievers are, and will go after death, to be with God for eternity. In relation to other 'Heavens' I view it as HEAVEN, the HEAVEN we speak of in Revelations. It is past the 'Heavens' of the earth (atmosphere) and beyond the further heavens of outer space and the constellations to God Himself, Hebrews 4:14 states that the Lord passed 'through the heavens' to be with God...

There you are...

Correct answer! Great Job!

Albert Barnes in his "Note's on the New Testament" has a good write up on this portion. He says,:

o the third heaven. The Jews sometimes speak of seven heavens, and Mohammed has borrowed this idea from the Jews. But the Bible speaks of but three heavens; and among the Jews in the apostolic ages, also, the heavens were divided into three:
(1.) The aerial, including the clouds and the atmosphere, the heavens above us, until we come to the stars.
(2.) The starry heavens--the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars appear to be situated.
(3.) The heavens beyond the stars. That heaven was supposed to be the residence of God, of angels, and of holy spirits. It was this upper heaven, the dwelling-place of God, to which Paul was taken, and whose wonders he was permitted to behold--this region where God dwelt, where Christ was seated at the right hand of the Father, and where the spirits of the just were assembled. The fanciful opinions of the Jews about seven heavens may be seen detailed in Schoettgen or in Wetstein, by whom the principal passages from the Jewish writings relating to the subject have been collected. As their opinions throw no light on this passage, it is unnecessary to detail them here.


So Great Job kyzar! The 200 blessings are yours!

 

[Gold Dragon]

Bonus attempt. I have no definite answer so here goes. Again be gentle.

Under the law of Moses a man's next of kin could pay debts on his behalf. this is sometimes known as the kinsman-redeemer. If a man was in destitute his kinsman could redeem him by paying his debts. If a man was enslaved his kinsman could buy him out of bondage. If a man died before bearing a son his next of kin could marry his widow and sire a hier thus redeeming him.

Jesus was "the son of man" or "one as a man" and by becoming a man and shedding his blood for us he became our kin or kinsman-redeemer. We were in debt because of sin and Jesus redeemed us by paying our debt through his sacrifice.

Some great insight there. I have never associated the title of Son of Man with the idea of a kinsman redeemer in this way before. Thanks for that food for thought.

 

[scham]

Son of Man, hmmm tricky as there are no direct passeges to why but it would make sence to me if it was this.
Jesus was fully man and fully God, as his birth was a natural one. When Simon Peter was asked who he thought the Son of Man was he replyed, you are the Christ (or Son of God), as it was at the time this was revelation to the world and if Jesus had gone around saying he was the Son of God then his ministry would have only lasted a couple of days because thats the knid of thing the leaders wanted to hear, hence the work that needed doing in peoples hearts would never have happened.

 

[BT]

Great answers on the bonus guys! I'm going to split the 150 between Nicodemus (for the kinsmen-redeemer) and Jcright (for the Daniel reference). Great answers!

I have a short right up on the significance of "The Son of Man" at home. When I get a minute or two I'll put it up as food for thought!

Ok 75 Blessin's - NicodemusPrime
75 Blessin's - Jcright

Way to go guys! Good trying to everyone else....

PS.. What's up with "be gentle"... ?!? I'M ALWAYS GENTLE!!!!!! ;-)

 

[ZiSunka]

Son of man:

Jesus was born in flesh through a human being, thus he is the son of a human, thus "Son of Man."