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<blockquote data-quote="Zadok" data-source="post: 218234" data-attributes="member: 1960"><p>Ok, I posted this on my 'geology' thread.</p><p></p><p>Gen: 6:14 </p><p>Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. </p><p></p><p>There you have it. He pitched the ark with PITCH. </p><p></p><p>Pitch is- </p><p></p><p>Definition: A residual petroleum product (pitch precursor) which is used in the manufacture of certain carbon fibers. While not as strong as low-modulus PAN fibers, they are processible to high moduli and are useful for some stiffness-critical applications. </p><p></p><p>TAR is- </p><p></p><p>Definition: Brown or black bituminous material, liquid or semisolid in consistency, in which the constituents are obtained as condensates in the destructive distillation of coal, petroleum, oil/ shale, wood, or other organic materials, and which yields substantial quantities of pitch. </p><p></p><p>Now, what does this mean for the creation story? Does it mean that the writers knew nothing about the ancient past, making the creation story a myth or allegory? Or did god create <em>some</em> fossil fuels making the world seem like yesterday happen when it didn't? So, the real question is, where did this fossil fuel byproduct come from if the earth is only "thousands" of years old?</p><p></p><p>Dave Matson writes (in maston vs. hovind, good stuff!!)</p><p></p><p>"The amount of coal and oil existing today greatly exceeds what could have been produced in a few thousand years. It is naive to think that today's coal and oil come from the buried remains of Noah's antediluvian world. Most creationists simply have no idea how much raw material would have been required, especially for oil deposits.</p><p></p><p> Because coal and oil are important economic resources, geologists have worked hard to estimate how much of these resources exist. The creationist writer Morton cites data published by Hunt indicating that </p><p>the carbon in the coal alone is 50 times that in the entire present biosphere!...And the carbon in all oil deposits is 666 times that in the entire present biosphere! That in oil shales and other sedimentary rocks </p><p>(which Morton doesn't mention!) is 40,000 times that in the present biosphere. And that doesn't count the enormous quantities of carbonates, much in the form of fossil shells. The Livingstone Limestone in the Canadian Rockies contains at least 10,000 cubic miles of broken crinoid </p><p>plates!</p><p></p><p>Just how thick did Dr. Hovind say that antediluvian vegetation was?</p><p></p><p> In doing your math, be sure to allow plenty of open space for grasslands, so that the buffalo, horses, and numerous other grazers, past and present, have plenty of space for their herds. Be sure to have plenty of deserts or near-deserts for your reptiles. Most of them require a dry environment. You will also need plenty of marshy tundra pasture for your mammoths and other pre-flood, cold-adapted grazers."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zadok, post: 218234, member: 1960"] Ok, I posted this on my 'geology' thread. Gen: 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. There you have it. He pitched the ark with PITCH. Pitch is- Definition: A residual petroleum product (pitch precursor) which is used in the manufacture of certain carbon fibers. While not as strong as low-modulus PAN fibers, they are processible to high moduli and are useful for some stiffness-critical applications. TAR is- Definition: Brown or black bituminous material, liquid or semisolid in consistency, in which the constituents are obtained as condensates in the destructive distillation of coal, petroleum, oil/ shale, wood, or other organic materials, and which yields substantial quantities of pitch. Now, what does this mean for the creation story? Does it mean that the writers knew nothing about the ancient past, making the creation story a myth or allegory? Or did god create [I]some[/I] fossil fuels making the world seem like yesterday happen when it didn't? So, the real question is, where did this fossil fuel byproduct come from if the earth is only "thousands" of years old? Dave Matson writes (in maston vs. hovind, good stuff!!) "The amount of coal and oil existing today greatly exceeds what could have been produced in a few thousand years. It is naive to think that today's coal and oil come from the buried remains of Noah's antediluvian world. Most creationists simply have no idea how much raw material would have been required, especially for oil deposits. Because coal and oil are important economic resources, geologists have worked hard to estimate how much of these resources exist. The creationist writer Morton cites data published by Hunt indicating that the carbon in the coal alone is 50 times that in the entire present biosphere!...And the carbon in all oil deposits is 666 times that in the entire present biosphere! That in oil shales and other sedimentary rocks (which Morton doesn't mention!) is 40,000 times that in the present biosphere. And that doesn't count the enormous quantities of carbonates, much in the form of fossil shells. The Livingstone Limestone in the Canadian Rockies contains at least 10,000 cubic miles of broken crinoid plates! Just how thick did Dr. Hovind say that antediluvian vegetation was? In doing your math, be sure to allow plenty of open space for grasslands, so that the buffalo, horses, and numerous other grazers, past and present, have plenty of space for their herds. Be sure to have plenty of deserts or near-deserts for your reptiles. Most of them require a dry environment. You will also need plenty of marshy tundra pasture for your mammoths and other pre-flood, cold-adapted grazers." [/QUOTE]
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