Question Concerning Judaism

[Tractor1]

Knowing the exceptional character of this present dispensation, namely, that there is now no difference between Jew and Gentile either with regard to their lost estate or their need of salvation by grace (Rom. 3:9), what is specifically revealed as the terms, time, and general character of salvation for the individual under Judaism?

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[eph3Nine]

Knowing the exceptional character of this present dispensation, namely, that there is now no difference between Jew and Gentile either with regard to their lost estate or their need of salvation by grace (Rom. 3:9), what is specifically revealed as the terms, time, and general character of salvation for the individual under Judaism?

In Christ,
Tracey

Could you be a bit more specific in just what you are asking here? Do you mean what is specifically revealed about Israels terms time and general characteristics of salvation in times PAST?

 

[Tractor1]

Could you be a bit more specific in just what you are asking here? Do you mean what is specifically revealed about Israels terms time and general characteristics of salvation in times PAST?

The question is self explanatory. What specifically does Scripture reveal as the terms, time, and general characteristics of individual salvation under Judaism? Israel's national salvation is not in question.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Dave Taylor]

Judaism is irrelevant.

What you should be looking for is specific scriptures relating to the people of faith in the OT and the Lord.

Individual salvation wasn't contingent on the Judaism religion, but on a faithful and repentent heart before the Lord by an individual who sought after Him.

Proverbs 8:17 The Lord sayeth, "I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. "

Psalms 9:10 "And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee."

Psalms 22:26 "The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever. "

Psalms 40:16 "Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: let such as love thy salvation say continually, The LORD be magnified. But I am poor and needy; yet the Lord thinketh upon me: thou art my help and my deliverer; make no tarrying, O my God."

Psalms 69:32 "The humble shall see this, and be glad: and your heart shall live that seek God."

Psalms 119:2 "Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart."

Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

Psalms 2:11 "Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

Habakkuk 2:4 "the just shall live by his faith"

Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."

John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

 

[Tractor1]

Judaism is irrelevant.

What you should be looking for is specific scriptures relating to the people of faith in the OT and the Lord.

Individual salvation wasn't contingent on the Judaism religion, but on a faithful and repentent heart before the Lord by an individual who sought after Him.

Proverbs 8:17 The Lord sayeth, "I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. "

Psalms 9:10 "And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee."

Psalms 22:26 "The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever. "

Psalms 40:16 "Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: let such as love thy salvation say continually, The LORD be magnified. But I am poor and needy; yet the Lord thinketh upon me: thou art my help and my deliverer; make no tarrying, O my God."

Psalms 69:32 "The humble shall see this, and be glad: and your heart shall live that seek God."

Psalms 119:2 "Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart."

Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

Psalms 2:11 "Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

Habakkuk 2:4 "the just shall live by his faith"

Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."

John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Great Scripture quotations! Now answer the questions.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Dave Taylor]

The answers are in the scriptures.

John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Luke 24:44 "And Jesus said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things."

 

[Tractor1]

The answers are in the scriptures.

John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Luke 24:44 "And Jesus said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things."

The original questions remain. If you choose to participate we all look forward to your enlightened response.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Dave Taylor]

The answer has been given, and is found in the scriptures that have been suppiled Tracey.

"Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word."

There is no salvation 'under Judaism'.

There is only salvation under one name....JESUS CHRIST.

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

There is no 'Salvation for the individual under Judaism' Tracey...There is only Salvation in Jesus Christ.
The Scripures I gave you from the O.T. explain how it occurred to them, based on the amount of understanding, light, and knowledge they were given.

 

[eph3Nine]

Judaism is irrelevant.

What you should be looking for is specific scriptures relating to the people of faith in the OT and the Lord.

Individual salvation wasn't contingent on the Judaism religion, but on a faithful and repentent heart before the Lord by an individual who sought after Him.

WHAAAAAAAAAT? Under the plan of times PAST, you were either saved by coming THRU Gods appointed channel of blessing, which WAS the Nation Israel, or you werent saved! You are mixing the programs again. RE READ Eph 2 to find out what we gentiles were under this program....strangers to the covenants of promise , aliens to the commonwealth of Israel, LOST, without God in the world.

SOMEWHERE, somehow, there had to be a change for Jew and gentile to be able to come to God WITHOUT the NATION ISRAEL being the channel. Thats the way it WAS in times PAST...NO ISRAEL, no salvation.

 

[eph3Nine]

The question is self explanatory. What specifically does Scripture reveal as the terms, time, and general characteristics of individual salvation under Judaism? Israel's national salvation is not in question.

In Christ,
Tracey

Actually, its NOT self explanatory or I wouldnt be asking you to explain...LOL

If you are referring to times PAST it was ONLY a national thing. If you are referring to being a Jew in todays economy, his terms times and criteria for salvation are the same as everyone elses. God dealt with Israel AS A NATION under the agreement He had with them in times PAST. God deals with any individual Jew today as He would with anyone else, as the program has changed and it is level at the Cross for Jew and Gentile alike.

The foundation was always CHRIST...however, what you believed ABOUT Christ was different for the Jew in times PAST.

He had to believe that Christ was the MESSIAH and prophesied KING of Israel, and be water baptized have remission from his sins.

Under todays economy, yes, the foundation is still Christ, but Him CRUCIFIED< BURIED...and RESURRECTED.

See the difference????????????

His death took care of the PENALTY of our sins (the wages of sin is DEATH), His burial proved that God actually DID something with the sins He died for (ALL OF THEM< past present and FUTURE as well) as the purpose for burial was to put them OUT of Gods sight, and His resurrection was PROOF positive that ALL sins were taken OUT of the way and the payment ACCEPTED on behalf of those who needed it. IF ONE sin was left OUT, He would NOT have risen from the dead.

No death burial and resurrection for the Jewish saints of Old...they were told to believe SPECIFIC INFORMATION with regard to what PROPHECY told them of a coming KING and MESSIAH.

Today, The RISEN Christ of Glory, is OUR HEAD, not our MESSIAH or KING...that was who He was to the nation ISRAEL under the program of times PAST and in their program of AGES to COME. TODAY, under the MYSTERY Program given us by OUR apostle Paul, He is the Risen Lord, the HEAD of HIS Body which is the ONLY church of today.

 

[Tractor1]

If you are referring to times PAST it was ONLY a national thing. God dealt with Israel AS A NATION under the agreement He had with them in times PAST.

National election doesn't guarantee the salvation of every individual within the nation, so what sets apart the remnant of Israel?

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[eph3Nine]

National election doesn't guarantee the salvation of every individual within the nation, so what sets apart the remnant of Israel?

In Christ,
Tracey

You are correct. The ACTION that set apart the remnant was BELIEVING what God told THEM to beleive. They were to BELEIVE that Jesus WAS their prophesied MESSIAH, and water baptism was the demonstration of that belief unto salvation.

The issue remains....faith has always been the means...but its always faith in Gods specific message to a specific audience. It wasnt by ANY means beleiving all the same thing for everyone.

 

[Tractor1]

You are correct. The ACTION that set apart the remnant was BELIEVING what God told THEM to beleive. They were to BELEIVE that Jesus WAS their prophesied MESSIAH, and water baptism was the demonstration of that belief unto salvation.

The issue remains....faith has always been the means...but its always faith in Gods specific message to a specific audience. It wasnt by ANY means beleiving all the same thing for everyone.

So, you're saying it was faith plus works?

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[eph3Nine]

So, you're saying it was faith plus works?

In Christ,
Tracey

It is NO secret that a faith plus works was the winning combination for the program of times PAST. Why so surprised?

Thats why its such a big deal that God CHANGED THE PROGRAM. NOW its GRACE alone , thru faith alone in Christ alone. NO WORKS allowed.

This is speaking of salvation ...not of service.