Question about these verses in the Quran

[Blackness]

"If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next." 2:85

"Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. " 4:89

"Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom." 45;7-8


Here is one that shows some good in the Quran, for balance:

"Pay the poor-due. That is true religion." 98:5

I got this from a post here. Are these true?

 

[Adeeb]

"If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next." 2:85

"Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. " 4:89

"Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom." 45;7-8


Here is one that shows some good in the Quran, for balance:

"Pay the poor-due. That is true religion." 98:5

I got this from a post here. Are these true?

always good to read the context

Chapter 2
83. And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah. treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now).
84. And remember We took your covenant (to this effect): Shed no blood amongst you, nor turn out your own people from your homes: and this ye solemnly ratified, and to this ye can bear witness.
85. After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
86. These are the people who buy the life of this world at the price of the Hereafter: their penalty shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped.




Chapter 4
87. Allah. There is no god but He: of a surety He will gather you together against the Day of Judgment, about which there is no doubt. And whose word can be truer than Allah.s?
88. Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
90. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
91. Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.





Chapter 45

6. Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
7. Woe to each sinful dealer in Falsehoods:
8. He hears the Signs of Allah rehearsed to him, yet is obstinate and lofty, as if he had not heard them: then announce to him a Penalty Grievous!
9. And when he learns something of Our Signs, he takes them in jest: for such there will be a humiliating Penalty.
10. In front of them is Hell: and of no profit to them is anything they may have earned, nor any protectors they may have taken to themselves besides Allah. for them is a tremendous Penalty.








Chapter 98


1. Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence,-
2. An apostle from Allah, rehearsing scriptures kept pure and holy:
3. Wherein are laws (or decrees) right and straight.
4. Nor did the People of the Book make schisms, until after there came to them Clear Evidence.
5. And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.
6. Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
7. Those who have faith and do righteous deeds,- they are the best of creatures.
8. Their reward is with Allah. Gardens of Eternity, beneath which rivers flow; they will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher.

 

[seed757]

It would also help to read an English translation that isn't so biased, twisted and agenda driven also.

 

[Futuwwa]

ILoveIsrael, I suggest that, whoever you got those "Quran quotes" from, should be put on your list of people whose claims are to be discarded by default unless explicitly proven.

 

[Blackness]

ILoveIsrael, I suggest that, whoever you got those "Quran quotes" from, should be put on your list of people whose claims are to be discarded by default unless explicitly proven.

Well I thought thats what it said.

 

[czach8]

It would also help to read an English translation that isn't so biased, twisted and agenda driven also.

Your responses are getting old. Why don't you simply just answer the question or provide a translation that is not twisted, bias, or whatever assumption you make.

 

[czach8]

ILoveIsrael, I suggest that, whoever you got those "Quran quotes" from, should be put on your list of people whose claims are to be discarded by default unless explicitly proven.

If this is your conclusion, then why don't you provide the correct Quran quotes free of default. What you state should be backed up with explanation, not statements that are empty, ambiguous, and purposely evasive. In other words, if you lack competence in interpreting Islamic scripture, then don't say anything.

 

[Futuwwa]

I would have done it, but Adeeb already did.

And hey, anyone with basic googling skills should be able to find a Quran translation online.

 

[seed757]

Your responses are getting old. Why don't you simply just answer the question or provide a translation that is not twisted, bias, or whatever assumption you make.

Ah. Is it possible that we have found the culprit who has supplied such tripe?

My answer to your scrutiny is the same as brother Janissary's. It would seem as if brother Adeeb has given ample enough evidence to prove that the verses in question are both taken way out of context and are badly distorted.

Simply reading what he has posted, to my mind, would clarify any misconceptions that the OPer had concerning those verses. I can't help it if you miss the obvious.

Regards.

 

[yourfriend58]

always good to read the context

Chapter 2
83. And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah. treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now).
84. And remember We took your covenant (to this effect): Shed no blood amongst you, nor turn out your own people from your homes: and this ye solemnly ratified, and to this ye can bear witness.
85. After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
86. These are the people who buy the life of this world at the price of the Hereafter: their penalty shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped.




Chapter 4
87. Allah. There is no god but He: of a surety He will gather you together against the Day of Judgment, about which there is no doubt. And whose word can be truer than Allah.s?
88. Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
90. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
91. Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.





Chapter 45

6. Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
7. Woe to each sinful dealer in Falsehoods:
8. He hears the Signs of Allah rehearsed to him, yet is obstinate and lofty, as if he had not heard them: then announce to him a Penalty Grievous!
9. And when he learns something of Our Signs, he takes them in jest: for such there will be a humiliating Penalty.
10. In front of them is Hell: and of no profit to them is anything they may have earned, nor any protectors they may have taken to themselves besides Allah. for them is a tremendous Penalty.








Chapter 98


1. Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence,-
2. An apostle from Allah, rehearsing scriptures kept pure and holy:
3. Wherein are laws (or decrees) right and straight.
4. Nor did the People of the Book make schisms, until after there came to them Clear Evidence.
5. And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.
6. Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
7. Those who have faith and do righteous deeds,- they are the best of creatures.
8. Their reward is with Allah. Gardens of Eternity, beneath which rivers flow; they will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher.

May ALLAH bless you
Jazaka ALLAH kairan

 

[Blackness]

Its always best to get information from a Muslim who knows these things rather than a non-Muslim. =)

 

[czach8]

I would have done it, but Adeeb already did.

And hey, anyone with basic googling skills should be able to find a Quran translation online.

My fault sister, I apologize.

 

[czach8]

Ah. Is it possible that we have found the culprit who has supplied such tripe?

My answer to your scrutiny is the same as brother Janissary's. It would seem as if brother Adeeb has given ample enough evidence to prove that the verses in question are both taken way out of context and are badly distorted.

Simply reading what he has posted, to my mind, would clarify any misconceptions that the OPer had concerning those verses. I can't help it if you miss the obvious.

Regards.

My fault brother, I apologize.

 

[français]

the "slay wherever you see them" verse i think it supposed to be talking about defense (although ppl like billal phillips say so otherwise.)

the verses about non muslims going to hell.. it is to my undrstanding that at first, any believer in the Abrahamic faiths could go to heaven. but that was abrogated later on (i think the medinan period, but i'm not sure) and i think that muslims believe only muslims can go to heaven, UNLESS the person never knew about islam.

i have heard many mixed answers though. there's an islamic hotline i call a lot 1-877-why-islam, and i asked them about it.. one man said that only muslims will go to heaven. now i call that number wuitoe frequently, and i got someone else shortly after that call, and they told me that anyone could go to heaven, as long as they were a beleiver in God, so idk.

 

[Raul7]

the "slay wherever you see them" verse i think it supposed to be talking about defense (although ppl like billal phillips say so otherwise.)

the verses about non muslims going to hell.. it is to my undrstanding that at first, any believer in the Abrahamic faiths could go to heaven. but that was abrogated later on (i think the medinan period, but i'm not sure) and i think that muslims believe only muslims can go to heaven, UNLESS the person never knew about islam.

i have heard many mixed answers though. there's an islamic hotline i call a lot 1-877-why-islam, and i asked them about it.. one man said that only muslims will go to heaven. now i call that number wuitoe frequently, and i got someone else shortly after that call, and they told me that anyone could go to heaven, as long as they were a beleiver in God, so idk.

If you accept that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is one of God's Prophets and conform to the laws of God then you are eligible to enter Heaven. The same rules apply to everyone.

Among the People of the Book there are some who believe in God and in what has been sent down to you and what was sent down to them, and who are humble before God. They do not sell God's signs for a paltry price. Such people will have their reward with their Lord. And God is swift at reckoning. (Qur'an, 3:199)