i have friends who go to church on sunday, and they ask me why i go to church on saturday so of course i tell them, and then they tell me that the calendar has changed so that sunday is the 7th day of the week. somehow, i understand that its not, but i have no idea how i woudl explain that to someone else.
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Question about sunday....
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NinadeDios777 said:
Yes, 10 days were dropped from October of 1582 by the decree of pope Gregory.
After the Council of Trent, the Roman Catholic Church determined to aligned Easter after the vernal equinox.
The Julian Calendar was modified. Thursday October 4, 1582 was followed by Friday October 15, 1582. We thus use the Gregorian Calendar.
But you can see the weekly cycle was untouched.
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:...
They think they can and will try to change God's laws and time. But it isn't possible.
Also, you can look up any encyclopedia, they all say Sunday is the 1st day of the week and Saturday is the 7th day of the week.
You don't need to explain anything. Just know your facts and ask them to show you where in the Bible it was changed to Sunday or where the weekly cycle was changed.
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NinadeDios777 said:
You could get all the info you need from this site.
www.biblicalperspectives.com
Samuele Bacchiocchi, Ph. D., has put out many books on the Sabbath and as far as SDA's go he is just about an expert in this area.
His story is there for all to see. You will enjoy it there.
What a great chance you have to share with your friends the truth. The Lord has given you this so don't feel intimidated by it all and if you still need to ask questions here, then by all means do do.
Happy Sabbath.
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Cliff2 said:
Actually I wouldn't recommend reading from Bachiocchi. He has made many false, deceptive statements that are contrary to our foundamental teachings on sunday origin, mark of beast... He even made incredible claims that there are errors in the bible.
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Ah haNinadeDios777 said:
Interesting.
Well, first of all, do they actually keep Sunay holy? Thats an interesting question to throw at them, or do they just "go to church"? Many people think thats all Sunday is for. My friend was like, "Aw, can't you just skip church that day?" So I had to re-explain again that Sabbath is not just going to church.
Now, back to the whole has the calendar been changed thing.
Heres one claim they may try-
What was Saturday has now been given the name Sunday
This is a weak argument. Why? Because, do you think that all of the Isralites just one day woke up and said, "Oh, todays Sunday?" When it was actually Saturday?
No.
That just doesn't happen.
The isralites kept the seven day week cycle ever since... well, its actually been kept before isralites were even a nation. But still, look at the Jews today- what day do they keep? They keep the same day as we do. Heres another idea they may say-
The Calendar was changed! That means Saturday was changed to Sunday
Wrong, wrong wrong and wrong.
The calendar was once changed in October 1582. 10 days were taken out. So, heres an example.
Friday October 5th became Friday October 15th.
See? It still stayed Friday- the number was just changed
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NinadeDios777 said:
calender changed. God's word hasn't. the Sabbath is the seventh day, sunday is equal to the first. other christians claim that they go to church on sunday because that's the day that the Lord rose from His grave. Mark 16.1,2, read it. the first day comes after the Sabbath. so what's their argument now? do they go to church on the day Jesus rose? or on the calendar changed new seventh-day? if so, why do they keep excusing themselves by justifying the first day observace because of Jesus rising from the dead.
hope i wrote clear enough?
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Well one thing I also noticed is that the calenders that we use start the first day of the week with sunday. I know i've seen very few calenders out there that have different starting days also... but the majority of the calendars do start the day with sunday.
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OntheDL said:
Could you spell out the Sunday origin ones?
Are you referring to the fact that he notes ECF authors who hold to Sunday earlier than Adventists usually claimed?
Because frankly, they do. There isn't much you can really dispute about that.
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Saturday is the Sabbath. Even if Christians worship on Sunday (as I do), that does not change the Sabbath. God made the Sabbath and that cannot change. Sunday is the Lord's day because that's when Jesus rose from the dead and that is the reason that those of us who worship on Sunday do so. Some Christians do not understand this and try to say that the Sabbath has been changed but that is not correct because humans cannot change a day that the Lord has made. In the Orthodox church even during Lent (when we have a strict fast) we do not have the strict fast on Saturdays becuase the bible forbids strict fast on the Sabbath.
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Well, the reason the Lords Day was created was because of the ressurection. But that doesn't mean it is the Lords Day.zhilan said:
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NinadeDios777 said:
Yes, the statement sounds a little silly, but I'll use emphasise to help make my post, er, make sense.Okay. So, Sunday is considered to by many to be a day that is special, because of the resserection. In other words, its like christmas every 7th day.
However, like christmas, this isn't actually a real holiday, nor does it mean anything really. I mean, its nice, and a nice idea, but it isn't actually a real thing like the sabbath is real.
So, its called the "Lords day" because Jesus rose again on it. But its not the Lords day. It isn't really Gods day, its merely just a name. It isn't an actual thing, but rather, just a human creation that means nothing.
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makes lots more sense now. or at least, it will when i'm more awake lol thanxWindmill said:
Okay. So, Sunday is considered to by many to be a day that is special, because of the resserection. In other words, its like christmas every 7th day.
However, like christmas, this isn't actually a real holiday, nor does it mean anything really. I mean, its nice, and a nice idea, but it isn't actually a real thing like the sabbath is real.
So, its called the "Lords day" because Jesus rose again on it. But its not the Lords day. It isn't really Gods day, its merely just a name. It isn't an actual thing, but rather, just a human creation that means nothing.
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I think the question is not much about when the origin of Sunday observance by the early Christians. But when the change took place and by whose authority.
Here're some quotes ...
"Of the early Christians in second Century is confirmed that: The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews... therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council.
---The Whole Works of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).
From the apostles time until the council of Laodiceans, which was about 364, the holy observation of the Jews Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of the many authors; yea notwithstanding the decree of the council against it.
---Sunday a Sabbath, p163 London: 1640
"The Sabbath of the seventh day as touching the allegations of God's solemn worship to time was ceremonial; that Sabbath was religiously observed in the east church three hundred years and more after our Saviour's passion. That church being the great part of Christendom, and having the apostles' doctrine and example to instruct them, would have restrained it if it had been deadly."
---A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath, p77, Oxford, 1631
"The people of Constantinople and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed in Rome or at Alexandria."
---Socrates, Ecclesiastical History, Book 7, Ch 19
"That the Sabbath was kept, notwithstanding the decree of the council [Laodicea] against it is also seen from the fact that Pope Gregory I (A.D. 590-604) wrote against Roman citizens (who) forebode any work done on the Sabbath day."
---Nicen and Post-Nicen Fathers Second Series, Vol XIII, p13.
Some of the early Christians probably assembled on Sundays, notebly in Rome and Alexendria: the hotbeds of paganism. But the majority elsewhere kept the sabbath holy even after the decree of Constantine into the forth and even fifth century.
The bible is very clear who made the change: the little horn power. And the little horn rose up after the fall of Rome.
The Roman Catholic Church proudly proclaims the change was 'her act'.
The church kept the true Sabbath until the papal power rose up. And then the true church went into the wilderness. We know the story of Waldenses.
This is the biblical and our traditional view on this matter. By his deliberate attempts, Dr. B chips away our foundamental believes, absolves the papal's responsibility and shifts the blame to the early church fathers.
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