I just read the New Testament and I have a question in regards to Revelation and the present. Is the Devil in heaven now. Is there a hell right now. Is the Devil here on earth and in heaven. I'm a Little confused and need to have an understanding.
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The devil rules over the earth from the mid-heavens. There's no actual scripture that uses the term "mid-heavens", but we know that the Bible makes references to the "heavens" (plural).
2 Corin. 12:2 makes reference to a third heaven- " I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven."
In Genesis 1:8, God calls the firmament "Heaven", which is defined as the arch of the sky. Therefore, we presume there is a second heaven, which lies between the Earth's atmosphere and the Heaven where God and the saints dwell.
In Ephesians 2:2, Satan is called the "Prince of the Power of the Air". So Satan and his arch angels rule from the mid-heavens and will be kicked out by Michael and the angels in the midst of tribulations. When that happens, all hell will break loose on the Earth. Interestingly enough, Beelzebub referred to as the Lord of the Flies.
There are many testimonies of Christians who were taken to heaven in the Spirit. They testify of traveling through the mid heavens on their way to Paradise. One such testimony is of Howard Pittman, who died in the late 70's came back to life. He had an encounter with God while being escorted by angels. It's a fascinating book named, "Demons, an Eyewitness Account".
2 Corin. 12:2 makes reference to a third heaven- " I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven."In Genesis 1:8, God calls the firmament "Heaven", which is defined as the arch of the sky. Therefore, we presume there is a second heaven, which lies between the Earth's atmosphere and the Heaven where God and the saints dwell.
In Ephesians 2:2, Satan is called the "Prince of the Power of the Air". So Satan and his arch angels rule from the mid-heavens and will be kicked out by Michael and the angels in the midst of tribulations. When that happens, all hell will break loose on the Earth. Interestingly enough, Beelzebub referred to as the Lord of the Flies.
There are many testimonies of Christians who were taken to heaven in the Spirit. They testify of traveling through the mid heavens on their way to Paradise. One such testimony is of Howard Pittman, who died in the late 70's came back to life. He had an encounter with God while being escorted by angels. It's a fascinating book named, "Demons, an Eyewitness Account".
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Causing as much havoc on the earth, have you not noticed, that's because he knows he has a only a short time left.
(Revelation 12:12) 12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.
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No, Satan is not in Heaven because God would not allow any being who is disloyal to be in his presence in Heaven.
Yes, Hell exists right now but Satan and the other disloyal angels are not there right now. Jesus said that Hell has been prepared for Satan and his angels and this presupposes that as of right now they are not there. When Jesus returns they will all be sent to hell.
Yes, Hell exists right now but Satan and the other disloyal angels are not there right now. Jesus said that Hell has been prepared for Satan and his angels and this presupposes that as of right now they are not there. When Jesus returns they will all be sent to hell.
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I heaven't read revelations yet but I've always thought that God kicked Satan out of heaven and sent him to earth along with his angels.
and Hell has yet to be established and its something that will be created at the end of the world.
I have heard from many sources that Satans new kingdom is earth and its also where he resides.
and Hell has yet to be established and its something that will be created at the end of the world.
I have heard from many sources that Satans new kingdom is earth and its also where he resides.
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satan belongs to what is known as 'Hades' and 'the pit'.
Souls go there if there has been no forgiveness of sins without repentance.
By the 'Just Hand of The Father'.
For a long time, our Heavenly Mother says and has said to me recently, Souls have been forgiven a great deal of sins through Jesus "Divine Mercy" that has existed for a set period My Child. This will no longer be given if souls do not repent of their sins.
With this in mind, it is necessary that souls repent during their lives on a regular basis or there will be dire consequences ie if not accepted into Holy Purgatory, the pit is where satan belongs and is where we as sinners go IF not repenting our sins regularly.
Our Heavenly Mother on Medjugorje website explains everything in detail through the Visionaries and friends of Medjugorje.
Detailed from Jesus, through our Heavenly Mother Mary through the Visionaries over 30 years who have, through Jesus and Our Lady Mary, put on to His Medjugorje website.
It is confronting when we read all that is taking place as a result of satan as we speak carrying out its evil things claiming souls around the world given that many of us are not repenting with an open heart being remorseful to Jesus and those of whom we have also hurt during our lives.
After praying the Holy Rosaries for a couple of years coming closer to Jesus and our Heavenly Mother (through our Heavenly Mothers Holy intercession) I can vouch that every thing Mother Mary through Jesus has stated is true/factual. However, this is where the problem is with people, few are trusting in Jesus in order for Him to speak to our Hearts nor repenting in order for Jesus to speak to our Hearts.
Those two things are essential in receiving Jesus fully and for the good of our Souls.
Merry Christ-mas and a happy new Year.
Souls go there if there has been no forgiveness of sins without repentance.
By the 'Just Hand of The Father'.
For a long time, our Heavenly Mother says and has said to me recently, Souls have been forgiven a great deal of sins through Jesus "Divine Mercy" that has existed for a set period My Child. This will no longer be given if souls do not repent of their sins.
With this in mind, it is necessary that souls repent during their lives on a regular basis or there will be dire consequences ie if not accepted into Holy Purgatory, the pit is where satan belongs and is where we as sinners go IF not repenting our sins regularly.
Our Heavenly Mother on Medjugorje website explains everything in detail through the Visionaries and friends of Medjugorje.
Detailed from Jesus, through our Heavenly Mother Mary through the Visionaries over 30 years who have, through Jesus and Our Lady Mary, put on to His Medjugorje website.
It is confronting when we read all that is taking place as a result of satan as we speak carrying out its evil things claiming souls around the world given that many of us are not repenting with an open heart being remorseful to Jesus and those of whom we have also hurt during our lives.
After praying the Holy Rosaries for a couple of years coming closer to Jesus and our Heavenly Mother (through our Heavenly Mothers Holy intercession) I can vouch that every thing Mother Mary through Jesus has stated is true/factual. However, this is where the problem is with people, few are trusting in Jesus in order for Him to speak to our Hearts nor repenting in order for Jesus to speak to our Hearts.
Those two things are essential in receiving Jesus fully and for the good of our Souls.
Merry Christ-mas and a happy new Year.
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Dear friends, in reflection to the dialectic nature of man's mind, and this is explained in another thread about the "dialectic" argument against truth; we are, and have been firstly trying to identify a person and individual as the AC, FP, and the devil behind it, albeit the "nature" is to be first identified as the "mind" of this AC power.
The nature of the beast is a mind that "counts" for gain/profit and for life as it feasts on it's own product, which comes in form of worship. The mind that "counts" also counts the beads on the Rosary, this is one of the attributes of this nature, and from an entity of it's origin. Nothing personal, as it's the NATURE of "man" that we must first realize, and then once we do we can see this nature in ourselves and our own, and other country leaders. Then the one man who manifests and exercises these traits will be known as the AC power in this world. We must identify both the Church and the State in this arena, and not only the Church. Thanks
The nature of the beast is a mind that "counts" for gain/profit and for life as it feasts on it's own product, which comes in form of worship. The mind that "counts" also counts the beads on the Rosary, this is one of the attributes of this nature, and from an entity of it's origin. Nothing personal, as it's the NATURE of "man" that we must first realize, and then once we do we can see this nature in ourselves and our own, and other country leaders. Then the one man who manifests and exercises these traits will be known as the AC power in this world. We must identify both the Church and the State in this arena, and not only the Church. Thanks
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Further analysis of this "AC mind" reveals that this nature of mind measures everything for gain and profit, and Life by worship. Nothing personal but the Rosary is a form of a necklace that replaces the Yoke around the neck of a beast. This Necklace-Rosary is "counted" for gain and life in worship to the authority behind it. Technology is a parallel to this form of counting, and this speaks for the "State" while counting the Rosary is used in an alike manner in religious circles. This is the nature of Church and State, as they both share the same motive for life and survival by "counting".
The Yoke is also a metaphor for Christ and His Law, and governing authority over the world but only when the beasts submit to Him, and after separating from this nature by knowledge. God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, and an increase of another. There is a balancing act being performed by man, and it is not by the unmeasured Grace and Agape of Christ's Mind.
Technology is measured in every aspect, and it's measured for gain/profit and for worship as the consumer uses it. There is an invisible power that gives man's measure's Life but it's a counterfeit for the absence of the True Life that is in Christ, and His teachings.
Man must stand back and examine himself, and this is the first step in identifying the ruler of these beasts. The AC will promote and encourage further development of this technology and who is the one man that is pressing for this advancement? "Think" on these things. Thanks
The Yoke is also a metaphor for Christ and His Law, and governing authority over the world but only when the beasts submit to Him, and after separating from this nature by knowledge. God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, and an increase of another. There is a balancing act being performed by man, and it is not by the unmeasured Grace and Agape of Christ's Mind.
Technology is measured in every aspect, and it's measured for gain/profit and for worship as the consumer uses it. There is an invisible power that gives man's measure's Life but it's a counterfeit for the absence of the True Life that is in Christ, and His teachings.
Man must stand back and examine himself, and this is the first step in identifying the ruler of these beasts. The AC will promote and encourage further development of this technology and who is the one man that is pressing for this advancement? "Think" on these things. Thanks
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Even further analysis reveals a powerful deception that the world is blind to because of our dialectic nature, and if I may I suggest this: America and Iran are both shaking hands and don't know it as they both are Leaders in Technology, are appear as rivals as Satan pits his own against one another just so to deceive the natural "minds". Thanks, and "Think" because your Life depends on it, Soulfully!. Thanks
PS, if you are thinking about China, well, I don't see China in this picture as we are looking to identify only ONE man who makes speeches to his people and encouraging this as it will bring a "Brighter Future". China "clones" everything so they are not a suspect. We are looking for the originator and user of these "works", and I don't see Iran in this picture, neither. Satan has caused Iran to mimic this Image while the real Image is another, his rival. Who is Iran's rival? Who are banding together against Iran? Think on this. (?)
PS, if you are thinking about China, well, I don't see China in this picture as we are looking to identify only ONE man who makes speeches to his people and encouraging this as it will bring a "Brighter Future". China "clones" everything so they are not a suspect. We are looking for the originator and user of these "works", and I don't see Iran in this picture, neither. Satan has caused Iran to mimic this Image while the real Image is another, his rival. Who is Iran's rival? Who are banding together against Iran? Think on this. (?)
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This is one of many that speaks to our mind's concerning our actions:
Titus 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; (from Everlasting to Everlasting)
3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. (Counters)
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: (Watch out for grafted branches in the tree stump)
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses (minds), teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (All things men do are counterfeits and have a spiritual repercussion by "works" that replace the spiritual things of God.)
Titus 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; (from Everlasting to Everlasting)
3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. (Counters)
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: (Watch out for grafted branches in the tree stump)
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses (minds), teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (All things men do are counterfeits and have a spiritual repercussion by "works" that replace the spiritual things of God.)
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Yes satan is in Heaven right now,as he as yet to have been kicked out.
Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"
Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Revelation 12:10 "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power [authority] of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."
This is why Satan's other name is "the accuser", for he continually stands before God's throne accusing all the saints of God. When you mess up, Satan will let God know about it. That is why it is important for us to repent immediately when we become aware of sin in our lives. Then all barriers between God and us are removed. Satan will continue to accuse you before God, right up to the time he is caste out to the earth.
As for hell,no it does not exist right now,as noone has been judged,also what some consider hell,is simply the lake of fire,where the second death shall occure,this happens after the milennium...
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