Question about my post

[Gentlemantech48]

In the section "American Politics" there are apparently many more liberals who post. I posted the following:
The basis of a Christian nation (conforming to the wisdom of God's Holy Word) is Love. When a government gives away "free stuff" to the point that it puts our nation in serious debt for the sake of politics, that is not love. When government agencies destroy the lives of innocent people, even putting them in jail for minor offenses, that is not love. When a president closes his eyes to the evil of Islam to the point that our nation is in jeopardy, that is not love. When a government refuses to work with Israel, our friends for many years, that is not love. When a government supports the killing of babies in the womb, that is not love. When a government wastes money taken from the people on frivolous things, that is not love. When a government attempts to discredit the Holy God that blessed our nation, that is not love. When those in power are more concerned about the power that they possess than the people of the nation, that is not love. When rules and regulations become out of control and burden the people, that is not love. When judges becomes gods, that is not love. So.....is our nation a Christian nation? I don't believe that it is anymore. I simply believe that God Almighty is holding back His wrath for the day of judgement when governments and government officials will be judged. In the mean time we reach out to any who will come to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
Conservatives.....tell me what you think the reaction was from liberals:

 

[Gentlemantech48]

Just to add a bit more explanation to my post above, the theme of "love" is a theme that you must see from God's perspective. What are the two greatest commandments? Answer: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

What I'm saying has nothing directly to do with politics or even governmental rules, it has to do with man's love one for another. If a person commits a crime, they should be punished according to the seriousness of the crime. If you love your fellow man (say as a judge or head of a government agency) you will not enjoy handing out punishment and you will be fair in your judgement! If you hold the purse strings for the people of a nation and you love your fellow man, you will not waste that person's money but will be a servant to the people and spend their money wisely.

So, again, I say that it all boils down to love.

 

[miamited]

hi gt,

You posted: When a government gives away "free stuff" to the point that it puts our nation in serious debt for the sake of politics, that is not love.

Really? Your love stops at the point that it sacrificially 'costs' you anything?

The argument about our debt could just as easily be answered and solved by not paying $800.00 dollars for toilet seats and several hundred dollars for fairly common hammers. We could build ten fewer F1 fighter jets and not build quite as many super highways. We could stop using taxpayer dollars to help fund political agendas. We could stop sending space missions to the moon and beyond and just let the universe be what the universe is and not feel so beholden to know the answers to the questions that don't matter. We could choose to live our lives knowing that God has given us all the answers that we need and He will provide for us all that we need without our having to work out trajectory algorithms.

So, let me ask you: From God's perspective, I don't much care what your take is, from God's perspective do you think He rejoices when we provide for those in need through our government or send billions of dollars worth of men and metal to war and out to 'find the answers' in space? What does God think? After all, isn't that really what's important to the born again believer? What does God think of how we run our governments?

Solving the national debt issue is simple: You don't spend any more than you take in. However, the tough part comes in that we all expect our tax dollars to be used for this and this and this and this. Is it really more important to you that we know what's on the moon and beyond than providing food and medicine for the poor? Is it really more important to you that when you get in your car each morning to go to work there is a nice 3,4,or 5 lane highway to get there, than taking care of those who are least among us?

Now don't misunderstand, I deplore the abuses that are rampant even in these government programs. I detest that there are those among us who would take advantage of and greatly defraud that which the government's initial intent was to develop a program to help those in need, but when the truly needy to get what comes from these programs I do not resent what they receive.

Dwell on this. What does God see as a fitting role and responsibility of a godly government?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

then you posted: When government agencies destroy the lives of innocent people, even putting them in jail for minor offenses, that is not love.

I absolutely agree, that would be someone's idea of 'righteousness'.

However, one final point to be made. Go ahead and open up your Scriptures and reply back to me the places where you find that God has commanded that 'governments' be righteous. God has commanded that those who love Him strive to be righteous in all that they do. Paul has made it clear that those apart from God neither seek nor teach the way of righteousness. So, how is it that you expect a nation whose government is made up of so many, many who do not seek the will of God to righteously govern over a nation of so many, many people who do not seek after the will of God? Do you expect the unrighteous to live and govern themselves righteously?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Gentlemantech48]

then you posted: When government agencies destroy the lives of innocent people, even putting them in jail for minor offenses, that is not love.

I absolutely agree, that would be someone's idea of 'righteousness'.

However, one final point to be made. Go ahead and open up your Scriptures and reply back to me the places where you find that God has commanded that 'governments' be righteous. God has commanded that those who love Him strive to be righteous in all that they do. Paul has made it clear that those apart from God neither seek nor teach the way of righteousness. So, how is it that you expect a nation whose government is made up of so many, many who do not seek the will of God to righteously govern over a nation of so many, many people who do not seek after the will of God? Do you expect the unrighteous to live and govern themselves righteously?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Yes, you have a point in that. The title of the post where I originally wrote this was "Is the United States a Christian Nation?". Obviously it never has and never will be made up of all Christians and you are right in saying that if the citizens are not all Christian then the leadership will not be all Christian. I do believe we could consider ourselves a "Christian Nation" in the past because in general our "most of our leadership" followed Christian principles (which shows love for people). Today, I believe we have lost our way and most of our leadership is no longer acting in love (by Christian principles) but are instead only interested in power and politics.

I don't think I have any more say about this. I tried to express my reasoning from a Conservative Christian perspective of why I think this is no longer a Christian nation. I will just see if others have something to say and it's ok if you disagree with my view.

 

[MrJim]

I would suggest you work at separating church and nation, faith and nationalism, and realize that the church, the Kingdom of God, knows no borders. Recognize you are an ambassador of another greater nation serving in whatever country you may reside and to beware of entangling yourself in their problems.

2Tim2:4 No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. ESV

This and all nations are property of Satan (note the Kingdoms of the world Satan offered to Jesus during the temptations in the desert)~we are warriors of another Kingdom and do not need to embrace any flag of a sin-soaked civilization of this world...we cannot serve two masters.

 

[IisJustMe]

Conservatives.....tell me what you think the reaction was from liberals:

Apoplectic.

 

[IisJustMe]

I would suggest you work at separating church and nation, faith and nationalism, and realize that the church, the Kingdom of God, knows no borders.

Very true, but is God going to bless a nation that refuses to acknowledge Him? We are becoming such a nation. We are abandoning His chosen people. We are killing thousands of innocents every day. When we cease being a Christian people, what guarantees have we that we will be allowed to glorify God and openly serve Him and preach His glory to others? This is the reason that Christians must be engaged in the political process. There is no separation of church and state in the Constitution, and there should not be in our hearts, either.

 

[MrJim]

Very true, but is God going to bless a nation that refuses to acknowledge Him? We are becoming such a nation. We are abandoning His chosen people. We are killing thousands of innocents every day. When we cease being a Christian people, what guarantees have we that we will be allowed to glorify God and openly serve Him and preach His glory to others? This is the reason that Christians must be engaged in the political process. There is no separation of church and state in the Constitution, and there should not be in our hearts, either.

A nation? Seriously? The CHURCH is the nation. I am not part of the "We are killing thousands of innocents every day." I didn't kill anyone today. Insisting that somehow because God has stationed me in this reprobate nation to serve His will that I am somehow guilty of their crimes is beyond ludicrous.