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klewlis

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If you mean magic as in illusions and card tricks, that sort of thing, then I don't see a problem with it. (And from your post I think this is what you mean.)

But if you mean magick as in spells and witchcraft, then that is definitely an area that Christians should not be in.
 
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Yea like slight of hand with balls, cards, coins ect I really want to learn but did not know if I could.
 
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Its to do tricks and 'magic' and can be used for God. But make sure that everyone watching knows they are tricks and slight of hand and all that. If you do these tricks and stuff and make you audience believe that it truly is magic and that you have this cool power, then you are decieving them. But if everyone knows they are just cool tricks then it can be a tool used for God.
 
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Avenged Sevenfold said:
Can Christians learn Magic? say like Slight of Hand, Making things dissapear ect? if not why? cant this be used to glorify God? what do you all think?
Hi there!




Remember, in addition to what everyone else has told you....


We are not to do anything that might cause another to stumble... and you need to insure that you are not deceiving anyone into thinking it is anything "magical".


Should you have a young audience that cannot "differentiate" between "slight of hand" and "magic".... and they begin to view the "magic" as something good.... you have caused another to stumble... it's a fine line to draw but insure that is where God is leading you first and foremost.


~serapha~
 
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Look into the life of Andre Kole. He's a world famous illusionist who has been a consultant to David Copperfield. I saw him a few years ago, and he said he finally was able to do a trick that allowed him to walk on water. As he said, it was a very controlled environment, and took over a million dollars of state-of-the-art equipment. Things Jesus did not have. It was quite a show.
 
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The magic to be aware of is the kind that craws supernatural power from anything that is not God. Teh type of stage show that uses illusions is OK- a great tool because it reminds us that we can not trust our perceptions. I would not dress it up as occult in anyway.
 
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Witchcraft, sorcery, etc., are condemned without qualification in both the Old and New Testaments.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 - Every aspect of the occult is here mentioned specifically. It is all an "abomination" and is forbidden. Specifically forbidden are: one who practices "witchcraft" and a "sorcerer" and "one who conjures spells" and a "spiritist."

Leviticus 19:31 - Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 20:6 - And the person who turns after mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.

Leviticus 20:27 - A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them.

Revelation 21:8 - But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 22:15 - But outside [heaven] are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Acts 13:8-10 - Paul rebuked Elymas the sorcerer who was trying to keep Sergius Paulus from accepting the truth. He said to him: "O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord?"

Hence, the Bible does not distinguish whether the witchcraft is intended to achieve a goal which is good or one which does harm. It is all inherently wrong because it is an appeal to a forbidden source of power.

[2 Chron. 33:6; 2 Kings 9:22; Ex. 22:18; 1 Sam. 15:23; Mic. 5:12; Nah. 3:4; Jer. 27:9; Mal. 3:5; Isa. 2:6; 2 Kings. 21:6; 23:24; Isa. 19:3]

Specific powers of witchcraft and sorcery are named and condemned.

Exodus 7:11,22; 8:7 - When Moses & Aaron brought plagues on Egypt, Pharaoh's magicians attempted to duplicate the miracles by their "enchantments." "Enchantments" refers to the ceremonies and rituals used by sorcerers and magicians to accomplish their ends - incantations, spells, and magic words ("hocus-pocus"), wearing of charms (amulets).

Deuteronomy 18:10 mentions various of these "enchantments" as part of that which is forbidden.

Isaiah 8:19,20 - And when they say to you, "Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter," should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, {it is} because there is no light in them.

"Whisper and mutter" refers to the incantations and spells of magicians. These words are supposed to give the user control over the spirit beings that work the result desired. If you know the words, you control the spirit to do your bidding.

Galatians 5:20,21 - Those who will not inherit the kingdom of God includes those who practice "sorcery" ("witchcraft" - KJV). This includes the occult in general, but refers esp. to the use of drugs and potions brewed by witches in their cauldrons, etc. (Movies and books often refer to the witches' book of spells, and recipes for potions, etc.)

God condemns, not just the whole practice of the occult, but also the specific methods, rituals, and mumbo-jumbo words used.

[Lev. 19:26; 2 Kings 17:17; Isa. 47:9,12; Jer. 27:9; 2 Kings 21:6; 2 Chron. 33:6; Isa. 3:20; Rev. 9:21]

Witches & sorcerers cannot duplicate the powers & miracles God did through inspired men.

The Bible often warns about the danger of being deceived by lying wonders [2 Thess. 2:9; Matt. 24:24; Deut. 13:1-5]. The examples given in Scripture often involved confrontations between those who did true miracles from God and those who practiced forms of sorcery or magic:

Exodus 7-9; read 8:18,19 - Pharaoh's magicians and sorcerers tried to duplicate the signs and plagues God caused through Moses and Aaron (7:11,22; 8:7,8,18; 9:11). For awhile they seemed to succeed to a limited extent. But soon they failed and admitted Moses had the power of GOD.

Daniel 1:20 - And in all matters of wisdom and understanding about which the king examined them, he found them [Daniel and his friends] ten times better than all the magicians {and} astrologers who {were} in all his realm.

Daniel 2:1-13,27,28 - The king of Babylon sought magicians to tell him his dream and interpret it. None could. But by the power of God, Daniel interpreted the dream accurately [cf. 4:7,9]. Later he likewise interpreted the handwriting on the wall which predicted the downfall of Belshazzar (5:7,11). [Cf. Gen. 41:8,24]

Acts 8:9-13 - Simon used sorcery to amaze the Samaritans. They believed he had the great power of God. But when Philip preached Jesus and did true miracles by the power of God, not only the people but also Simon himself believed [cf. v5-7].

Acts 13:6-11 - Elymas was a sorcerer, but he was powerless to resist the superior power God worked through Paul.

I do not know whether the power of sorcerers can be explained through trickery, which pretends supernatural power but can really be explained naturally, or whether Satan really does possess some supernatural power. But what is sure is that Satan can never duplicate God's true miracles. By comparing modern sorcery to the miracles of the Bible, we have proof witchcraft is inferior, so we should not put our faith in it.

Witchcraft, magic, etc., is the occult substitute for Bible miracles. Where God has done miracles for His people, believers in the occult seek their supernatural works by means of spells, incantations, etc. that appeal to their spirit powers. God forbids all such because it is an appeal to powers other than His power. God will never allow that which is false to duplicate the works of that which is true.

[Isa. 47:9,12-14; 1 Kings 18; Acts 16:16; 19:13ff]
 
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Avenged Sevenfold said:
Can Christians learn Magic? say like Slight of Hand, Making things dissapear ect? if not why? cant this be used to glorify God? what do you all think?
The pastor of my church when I was a kid did some magic tricks with cards and balls and such. He used these to get the kids interested in the Biblical stories he was telling and used the tricks to illustrate key points. I believe in these case they were definatly used to glorify God. In other contexts, they are simply a form of entertainment and I believe there is nothing wrong at all with them.
 
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Good book (Dont Rember Who Wrote it though) Christan Magic (For magicians) also there is FCM (Frat Christan Magicians) the book explains how to convert standard illusions (Like Professors Nightmare) to a Gospal Message.
 
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"Let no one be found among you who...casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord." (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) but if you are talking about card tricks or something else I think christians can do it. Why not?
 
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From the Fellowship of Christian Magicians, Good read
 
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