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I'm a christian, but lately I have found myself asking a lot of questions about the bible and Jesus, so if you guys could answer some that I have that would be great. One, is in Matthew 5:39 Jesus said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil". Why would God in the flesh say to not resist evil?
Also, when Jesus was being tempted by Satan for 40 days, and Satan said to Jesus that he would give him the kingdoms of the world and all their glory if he bowed down and worshipped Satan, and Jesus said "You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him."
But why didn't Jesus tell Satan what he told his disciples in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus says that he has been given all authority in heaven and on earth.
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Matt. 5:39: Read the very next line ( If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also). Jesus is setting forth the way to break the vicious cycle of retaliation. We are not to take personal revenge but to work for justice. The Bible makes it exceedingly clear that we are to resist the Devil. For example: James 4:7 and Eph. 6:13 to name a couple.
 
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Sorry, I got sidetracked and forgot to answer the 2nd part. In the desert the Devil's whole purpose was to tempt and defeat. Satan says I will give you all the earth if you bow down and worship me (Satan is called "prince of this world" meaning earth). Remember, Jesus, even though he is completely God, was also completely human and therefore capable of temptation. Jesus however resisted all temptation. He was and is the only sinnless man to ever live. He passed the test that Adam failed. So basically, Jesus is just telling the Devil you have lost and I will never serve you.
 
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Sorry, I got sidetracked and forgot to answer the 2nd part. In the desert the Devil's whole purpose was to tempt and defeat. Satan says I will give you all the earth if you bow down and worship me (Satan is called "prince of this world" meaning earth). Remember, Jesus, even though he is completely God, was also completely human and therefore capable of temptation. Jesus however resisted all temptation. He was and is the only sinnless man to ever live. He passed the test that Adam failed. So basically, Jesus is just telling the Devil you have lost and I will never serve you.
Ok, but let me ask you a question. If you already had authority over all of heaven and all of earth, why would that even be a temptation to worship Satan, it's like Satan trying to bribe Jesus, but Jesus already has what Satan is trying to sell off to him.
 
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All authority was given to Jesus, but as a part of that he was to suffer and die for all of mankind. Satan was offering him the easy way out, dominion without the cross--a very tempting offer since Jesus knew exactly what he was going to suffer.
 
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Ok, but let me ask you a question. If you already had authority over all of heaven and all of earth, why would that even be a temptation to worship Satan, it's like Satan trying to bribe Jesus, but Jesus already has what Satan is trying to sell off to him.
Also note that when Jesus states His authority at the end of Matthew, He had resurrected; whereas with the devil's temptation, Jesus had not died and risen yet.

Before His resurrection, Jesus was in a state of humiliation and had cast off much of His godliness. (No, I'm not saying He stopped being God, only that He set aside much of His glory during this time.) So, saying the "power & authority" comment to the devil during His temptation wouldn't have really been accurate.
 
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I'm a christian, but lately I have found myself asking a lot of questions about the bible and Jesus, so if you guys could answer some that I have that would be great. One, is in Matthew 5:39 Jesus said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil". Why would God in the flesh say to not resist evil?
Also, when Jesus was being tempted by Satan for 40 days, and Satan said to Jesus that he would give him the kingdoms of the world and all their glory if he bowed down and worshipped Satan, and Jesus said "You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him."
But why didn't Jesus tell Satan what he told his disciples in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus says that he has been given all authority in heaven and on earth.
Thank you
First, in the baptism Jesus was given authority through the picture of the dove and by the words, "You are my Son, in whom I delight" These words point toward a specific vocation...Jesus is the anointed King to restore the covenant for the establishment of the Kingdom. Now, the Kingdom broke unto the scene by John and the Anointed One would bring order to it and establish it. Now, this is working off of 2 Sam. 7, the covenant of God to David that his Seed would establish His House and God would establish His kingdom forever. Now, in Isaiah 42, the one whom God delights would re-establish the covenant with Israel and be a light to the Gentiles. Now backing up to Isaiah 40…He would come through the wilderness…and so Jesus the story of the temptations of Jesus in the wilderness was the place where Jesus trust the path God the Father set before Him. Likewise there was another point of vindication of Jesus on the mountain with the cloud that pointed to the vocation to be through death. It was through the death of Jesus that He was again vindicated and the Kingdom of the new creation was established. Which lead to the proclamation of King of creation to spread the Kingdom.

And the day that the first fruits of the harvest and the day of redemption of the first born sons were lifted up...Jesus was raised up.

2 Sam 7:I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14I will be his father, and he will be my son.
 
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In the Bible, is the morning star not refered to as Lucifer (Satan)?


Hi cloud,

2Pe 1:19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.

Rev 2:28 and I will give him the morning star.

Rev 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."


As you can see Jesus is the bright morning star.
 
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In the Bible, is the morning star not refered to as Lucifer (Satan)?
Also, in Isaiah 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!"...at the first level is talking abut king of Bablyon where on the next level is refering to Lucifer.

Upon the return and news of the elders of Israel that Jesus appointed...In Luke 10:18He (Jesus) replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."
 
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I'm a christian, but lately I have found myself asking a lot of questions about the bible and Jesus, so if you guys could answer some that I have that would be great. One, is in Matthew 5:39 Jesus said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil". Why would God in the flesh say to not resist evil?
you left out some words. the text says,"resist not him who is evil" read the entire verse and it clears right up.
Also, when Jesus was being tempted by Satan for 40 days, and Satan said to Jesus that he would give him the kingdoms of the world and all their glory if he bowed down and worshipped Satan, and Jesus said "You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him."
But why didn't Jesus tell Satan what he told his disciples in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus says that he has been given all authority in heaven and on earth.
Thank you
at the time when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by satan, the issue was being obedient to God's word.. something which the devil chose not to do. while Jesus was demonstrating His obedience to God's word by what He said in answer to satans temptation.

what Jesus said in matt28 was after He'd been crucified, dead and buried and arisen. giving His authority to every believer.

that's why He couldnt say it to satan when He was being tempted in matt4
 
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In the Bible, is the morning star not refered to as Lucifer (Satan)?

Many early English translations use Lucifer. Lucifer was one name for Venus, the morning star. The passage in the original language reads "Helel son of Shachar", that would not have meant anything to the English readers or for that matter the translators of the KJV and other early English translations and so they translated it as Lucifer which was the equivalent in English. The actual use of the word Lucifer actually goes back to the Latin Vulgate. The build up of Lucifer equals some fallen angel and eventually Satan had taken place after the Vulgate. It really was misleading by the time of the early English translations, but we should in charity remember that they were working without the information we have now, they didn't know and so followed an earlier translation.

(There's another example like that, you can see it in the unicorn translation of the KJV. It goes all the way back to the Septuagint. No one knew exactly what was being talked about and so they followed earlier translations. Taking it as a reference to the one horned rhinocerous (not the mythical horse like creature), that continued until later when it was learned the text was talking about a species of extinct oxen.)

Anyway, back to Lucifer. If you read the passage, you will see that it isn't talking about Satan, it's talking about the King of Babylon.

Here's a footnote from the NET Bible talking about it.

sn What is the background for the imagery in Isa_14:12-15? This whole section (Isa_14:4-21 (i.e., Isaiah 14:4b-21)) is directed to the king of Babylon, who is clearly depicted as a human ruler. Other kings of the earth address him in Isa_14:9 (i.e., Isaiah 14:9ff.) he is called "the man" in Isa_14:16, and, according to Isa_14:19-20, he possesses a physical body. Nevertheless the language of Isa_14:12-15 has led some to see a dual referent in the taunt song. These verses, which appear to be spoken by other pagan kings to a pagan king (cf. Isa_14:9-11), contain several titles and motifs that resemble those of Canaanite mythology, including references to Helel son of Shachar, the stars of El, the mountain of assembly, the recesses of Zaphon, and the divine title Most High. Apparently these verses allude to a mythological story about a minor god (Helel son of Shachar) who tried to take over Zaphon, the mountain of the gods. His attempted coup failed and he was hurled down to the underworld. The king of Babylon is taunted for having similar unrealized delusions of grandeur. Some Christians have seen an allusion to the fall of Satan here, but this seems contextually unwarranted (see J. Martin, "Isaiah," BKCOT, 1061).

Hope that helps clear it up. You will run into people who take it as a reference to Satan even today, but that really wouldn't be a mainstream interpretation anymore.

You know what I find really interesting about the word Lucifer?

It's that Joseph Smith supposedly translating the Book of Mormon from a manuscript written long before the Vulgate was written, included the verse from the KJV in the Book of Mormon. So much for the supposed prophet having supernatural help to translate from a language none of us has ever seen. Doesn't make sense that he simply copied the verse from the KJV if what he said was true.

So when Jerome translated it, it would not have been a mistake. It evolved into a mistake as the language changed and Lucifer became a word for Satan, but early English translators did not know what the original language was referencing so it continued, though by that time it would have been a misleading use of the word, thus really a mistake. But God used that mistake to show where a false prophet was no prophet at all but simply a liar set out to deceive.

How cool is that?

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you left out some words. the text says,"resist not him who is evil" read the entire verse and it clears right up.

at the time when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by satan, the issue was being obedient to God's word.. something which the devil chose not to do. while Jesus was demonstrating His obedience to God's word by what He said in answer to satans temptation.

what Jesus said in matt28 was after He'd been crucified, dead and buried and arisen. giving His authority to every believer.

that's why He couldnt say it to satan when He was being tempted in matt4
What bible are you reading from because I'm looking at the KJV and it says "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." People say this is about revenge, but is not resisting evil only confined to not taking revenge on somebody, or evil in general?
 
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Ok, but let me ask you a question. If you already had authority over all of heaven and all of earth, why would that even be a temptation to worship Satan, it's like Satan trying to bribe Jesus, but Jesus already has what Satan is trying to sell off to him.
Lets look at the Book of Job where God allowed satan to do things within a limit to Job. Was satan in authority of Job or was God still the authority who gave satan authority to do things within a limit?

satan was given authority but that authority was granted to him bu God therefore his authority does not come from his own strength or authority at all.

Think of a Judge of a court. You could say that the judge has authority. But does a judge have unlimited authority to deliver any judgements or to do anything they like in a court. No, the judge can only give judgements after following a proper court procedure. In the English legal system he cannot even declare a person guilty he must allow the jury to make that call. So while it is true that a judge has authority in a court of law it is not an absolute authority, The judge is constrained in his actions and decisions within the pre set limits of the law of the land.

So in this way satan can have limited authority over the kingdoms of the world but Jesus can have ultimate authority over the entire creation and remove satan from his position of limited authority whenever he deems fit to.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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In the Bible, is the morning star not refered to as Lucifer (Satan)?
Not in a true Bible.

satan is refered to as the "son of the morning"

Isaiah 14:12
“ How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations




Jesus is refered to as the Bright and Morning Star.

Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”





All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

egw de legw (5719) umin mh antisthnai (5629) tw ponhrw; all' ostiv serapizei (5719) eiv thn decian siagona [sou], streyon (5657) autw kaithn allhn


The word used for Evil seems more subtle and personal than we use it -- notice how it's used in Mt 7:11:
If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your childrenEvil 4190

  1. [*] full of labours, annoyances, hardships
    1. pressed and harassed by labours
    2. bringing toils, annoyances, perils; of a time full of peril to Christian faith and steadfastness; causing pain and trouble
    [*] bad, of a bad nature or condition
    1. in a physical sense: diseased or blind
    2. in an ethical sense: evil wicked, bad
 
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The wilderness question was a good example of how Jesus didn't answer questions the way people wanted Him to, but got to the heart of the question.

Arguing with the devil about who had more power would have turned out to be a mind game, a battle of who sounded more powerful. But at this time of physical weakness, Jesus knew that resisting the devil and quoting scriptures, rather than conversing and appealing to the rationale, was more effective.

I think Jesus' response was also a personal reminder that the devil had chosen not to serve God, and that is how the devil got stuck in this demoted position.


And the Devil said to Him, I will give all this authority and their glory to You, because it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Then if You worship before me, all will be Yours. 8 And answering, to him, Jesus said, Go behind Me, Satan! For it has been written: "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve." (Deut. 6:13)
 
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Where in the Old Testament does it speak about the promised Messiah coming twice for his people, not just once?

Also, Jesus said to his disciples many times that the end was near, and some would not even taste death before he came back, so is Jesus a false prophet?

Deuteronomy 18:21-22
And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously. Thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Luke 21:32
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Obviously the people in this time period believed they would see Jesus return in his glory.
 
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