Question about homosexuality

nwarguy01 · Feb 28, 2006

I would like to pose a question.

Ive been reading through the posts on this subject a lot for the fact that I struggle with the attraction to the same sex. Ive seen many different viewpoints on this. Its been said many times that homosexuality is a sin. I for one agree with this. Ive seen a lot of people say that that statement excludes all homosexuals from the grace of God or from being a true Christian.

My question is.what do you consider to be homosexual? Not the technical term. My viewpoint is there is a difference in the homosexual who chooses (I say choose because it is in our power) to involve themselves with same-sex relations and the homosexual who simply struggles with the attraction to the same sex.

I have been in both shoes, but I am trying to abstain from any same-sex relations that could lead to anything other than friends.

Johnnz · Mar 4, 2006

nwarguy01 said:
I would like to pose a question.

Ive been reading through the posts on this subject a lot for the fact that I struggle with the attraction to the same sex. Ive seen many different viewpoints on this. Its been said many times that homosexuality is a sin. I for one agree with this. Ive seen a lot of people say that that statement excludes all homosexuals from the grace of God or from being a true Christian.

My question is.what do you consider to be homosexual? Not the technical term. My viewpoint is there is a difference in the homosexual who chooses (I say choose because it is in our power) to involve themselves with same-sex relations and the homosexual who simply struggles with the attraction to the same sex.

I have been in both shoes, but I am trying to abstain from any same-sex relations that could lead to anything other than friends.

Some people struggle with their sexual orientation for whatever reason. Your decision is great.

Recognise that all people struggle with something at times - doubt, insecurity, fear, their very strong heterosexual desires, inner opian, abusive families and so on. See yourself as a valid member of the christian family. Maybe look at some other options for changing your current outlook. God will honour your right choices.

John
NZ

Cristiano · Mar 4, 2006

nwarguy01 said:
I would like to pose a question.

Ive been reading through the posts on this subject a lot for the fact that I struggle with the attraction to the same sex. Ive seen many different viewpoints on this. Its been said many times that homosexuality is a sin. I for one agree with this. Ive seen a lot of people say that that statement excludes all homosexuals from the grace of God or from being a true Christian.

My question is.what do you consider to be homosexual? Not the technical term. My viewpoint is there is a difference in the homosexual who chooses (I say choose because it is in our power) to involve themselves with same-sex relations and the homosexual who simply struggles with the attraction to the same sex.

I have been in both shoes, but I am trying to abstain from any same-sex relations that could lead to anything other than friends.

Hey bro, just responding for the benefit of others as well, although we've touched on this already. I believe homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. I don't believe our orientation is a choice, however. For me, and many others I'm sure, have ALWAYS had an attraction to men, despite our being born again. I'm not saying it is right to have same sex attraction, I'm just saying that I don't fit what everyone says a person with same sex feelings should be. I had a great family growing up, both parents are still married, I was not sexually abused, and grew up in a Christian home. That being said, I believe that society as a whole begins to equate love with sex. Therefore, if I am SEXUALLY attracted to men, I must therefore only be able to fall in love with men and I feel hopeless in trying to fit in to the heterosexual Christian world. However, I believe that if we focus on LOVE first and finding that with a woman, an emotional bond, then, once we fall in love and get married, we will love everything about each other, including our bodies. Therefore, sexual attraction can be learned in this case. I'm not saying I won't still be attracted to men, because I probably will, just like many married men are still attracted to other women by and large, although not to as great an extent. But, the point will be that my wife and I will be one flesh and it will be amazing. Listen, we can be Christian men who struggle with this and that, but first and foremost we are Christian men. We are Spiritual beings! We are not fleshy beings. We are new creations in Christ, spritual ones. That means we should define ourselves by those awesome spiritual qualities and not worry so much about our flesh and let it inhibit us. Hope this can be a blessing to others. Keep plugging away. God's grace really is sufficient for whatever thorn God has allowed to remain in our sides!

Jason19 · Mar 5, 2006

I heard a great quote once, from a man who deals with homosexual men, I can't quote exactly but basicly it said that homosexual men are just men who struggle with attractions to other men, but a Gay man is a man who accepts his sin as a lifestyle and lives in it.

MercuryAndy · Mar 6, 2006

I belive that as long as they love each other they are truely christian. As jusus said that we should love each other.

And as long as I get hugs im realy pretty much happy. As long as they love the person they are with and not just in it for sex i belive in my own opinion not to matter.

Christina25 · Mar 7, 2006

MercuryAndy said:
I belive that as long as they love each other they are truely christian. As jusus said that we should love each other.

And as long as I get hugs im realy pretty much happy. As long as they love the person they are with and not just in it for sex i belive in my own opinion not to matter.

It's a tough opinion too, my friend. One I cannot bear to drag myself back into the mire for to represent much longer. I believe that I am Christian first, and therefore must try my best to represent Him, as the Trinity of Father, Son, and Spirt. I am a child of Christ, blessed in baptism by the Roman Catholic Church, saved over and over in my own heart of prayer, and one who struggles with whether the true lesbian nature in my existence today is nature or nurture.

Christ said many things, that are continually being translated and revealed or re-evaluated by those who believe various translations. God's children depend on a peaceful co-existence with their neighbors, after we love God with all our heart mind body and soul. He is my judge, not man, and therefore I would sooner be sent to hell by men, than misrepresent God as I know him, because in my eyes alone... that would be my main mistake.

Thank you for your courageous statement, but be ever mindful that indeed, evil exists in this world, and it strikes to the core of us so much we freeze and lose our minds, hearts, bodies, and souls.

Peace.

Kgreg · Mar 7, 2006

I'm a Christian man who struggles against same-sex attraction.

This is fallen and broken world. Fallen and broken by us because of the sins of mankind. My sexual brokeness is a part of this fallen and broken world. Being broken in one way or another isn't a sin. We are all broken in one way or another. Doing something that the Bible says clearly is outside of God's will for us is wrong. It's sin.

It's not a sin to have a homosexual sexual orientation. It's a sin to engage in homosexual sex acts.

It's not what we are that's the sin. It's choosing to act on those feelings that's sin.

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he_is_risen!! · Mar 8, 2006

Okay I struggle w/ attraction as well but I am not gay. I am a straight teen that struggles w/ homosexual attraction nothing more. I will never be gay unless I choose to give into sin and not fight against it. That's how I see it.

conflicted · Jun 13, 2006

Hey all.
I'm in the same boat.I am attracted to guys as well as girls. Attracted to guys mainly physically, and not really emotionally. I am thankful for this because at least I am still attracted to girls.
I have been reading lots of these posts, and most of you seem to agree that if you don't act on your feelings, then its not a sin to be gay/bi whatever. BUT...I read another post somewhere else that has a verse quoted saying that if you look at another woman lustfully who is not you wife, you have already committed adultery. Does this not apply to the whole gay/bi thing?

I'll appreciate any comments...as this whole situation has me filled with guilt

Abruer17 · Jul 4, 2006

Looks like alot of us are on the same train. I can't really add much, just want to say you're not alone.

Akathist · Jul 6, 2006

Mod Hat On

Recovery forums are only for posts related to making changes in ones behaviors. Homosexuality and that lifestyle can Not be endorced here.

Here is the rule:

3.5 Controversial Topics to Be Discussed Only in Certain Forums

A. You will make posts regarding the following subjects only in Ethics & Morality, Liberal Theology, Christian Philosophy, or any subforums in the Congregation or Recovery* categories:

drug use
gambling
polygamy
extramarital or premarital sexual activity
homosexuality
transsexuality
abortion

*You will not make posts promoting or endorsing any of these subjects in Recovery forums.

HisEagle · Jul 6, 2006

Xenia Rose said:
Mod Hat On

Recovery forums are only for posts related to making changes in ones behaviors. Homosexuality and that lifestyle can be be endorced here.

Here is the rule:

Xenia Rose, your post confuses me. The rules clearly state you may NOT endorse homosexuality in the Recovery forums. Why did you say it can be?

Akathist · Jul 6, 2006

groundhog said:
Xenia Rose, your post confuses me. The rules clearly state you may NOT endorse homosexuality in the Recovery forums. Why did you say it can be?

There is an error in the post of mine that you quoted. It can Not be endorced. It was a typo. I had "be" twice instead of the word "not". Clearly I was thinking faster than I was typing!

Living Soul Dance · Jul 6, 2006

nwarguy01 said:
My question is.what do you consider to be homosexual? Not the technical term. My viewpoint is there is a difference in the homosexual who chooses (I say choose because it is in our power) to involve themselves with same-sex relations and the homosexual who simply struggles with the attraction to the same sex.

I have been in both shoes, but I am trying to abstain from any same-sex relations that could lead to anything other than friends.

A homosexual is someone who has sex with a person of the same sex. If you've thought it, i.e. fantisized about it, you've done it.

My veiw point is, any type of sexual activity that is done outside of God orginal intent, is a perversion.

God did not intend or create women to have sex with other women; or Men to have sex with other men.

God created you to be attracted to the opposite sex.
If you have the faith, God can deliver you & change your desire. He is God, there is nothing impossible for God!

Blessings,
Richelle

HisEagle · Jul 8, 2006

Xenia Rose said:
There is an error in the post of mine that you quoted. It can Not be endorced. It was a typo. I had "be" twice instead of the word "not". Clearly I was thinking faster than I was typing!

Gotcha! I thought maybe you were stuttering.

BTW, do you live in Xenia, Ohio? It's about 50 miles from where I live. Worked there for about 3 weeks last Summer.

Living Soul Dance said:
A homosexual is someone who has sex with a person of the same sex. If you've thought it, i.e. fantisized about it, you've done it.

My veiw point is, any type of sexual activity that is done outside of God orginal intent, is a perversion.

God did not intend or create women to have sex with other women; or Men to have sex with other men.

God created you to be attracted to the opposite sex.
If you have the faith, God can deliver you & change your desire. He is God, there is nothing impossible for God!

Quite true. But that doesn't mean He always sets someone free. I knew I was attracted to guys at the age of 15, and definitely gay at the age of 17. And now 25 years later nothing has changed - except that I've been celibate for almost 14 years. Yes, I've prayed.....no, I've BEGGED to be freed from it. But that hasn't happened. So oh well - don't quite know what to say about that. Makes me wonder if I'm either meant to be gay, or I'm just not special enough to be set free.

Zaac · Jul 10, 2006

conflicted said:
Hey all.
I'm in the same boat.I am attracted to guys as well as girls. Attracted to guys mainly physically, and not really emotionally. I am thankful for this because at least I am still attracted to girls.
I have been reading lots of these posts, and most of you seem to agree that if you don't act on your feelings, then its not a sin to be gay/bi whatever. BUT...I read another post somewhere else that has a verse quoted saying that if you look at another woman lustfully who is not you wife, you have already committed adultery. Does this not apply to the whole gay/bi thing?

I'll appreciate any comments...as this whole situation has me filled with guilt

Conflicted, as far as lust, it applies the same to heterosexual and homosexual lust.

If a person has an affinity for the same sex, in accordance with God's Word, I couldn't definitively say that is wrong. AS much as I can tell, God's Word speaks to specific acts and not a simple attraction to the same sex.

As His Word does not speak against heterosexuals SIMPLY being attracted to one another, the same is going to apply with same-sex/homosexual attraction.

Lusting will still be wrong whether you do it towards the opposite sex or the same sex.

tobefree · Jul 14, 2006

nwarguy01 said:
I would like to pose a question.

Ive been reading through the posts on this subject a lot for the fact that I struggle with the attraction to the same sex. Ive seen many different viewpoints on this. Its been said many times that homosexuality is a sin. I for one agree with this. Ive seen a lot of people say that that statement excludes all homosexuals from the grace of God or from being a true Christian.

My question is.what do you consider to be homosexual? Not the technical term. My viewpoint is there is a difference in the homosexual who chooses (I say choose because it is in our power) to involve themselves with same-sex relations and the homosexual who simply struggles with the attraction to the same sex.

I have been in both shoes, but I am trying to abstain from any same-sex relations that could lead to anything other than friends.

I saw your post but gotta run to work.

Your questions are good and I will get back to you. please keep in touch. I was an active homosexual for 20 years. I was into porno at age 9, then homosexual behavior at 10. It progressed to a Life emersed in the gay culture. I have some repsnses but gotta run.

We have to seek our identiy in Christ not in what we do or inclined to do ior desire. My desires do not make me who I am but Jesus is my source of identity.
What I did was crucified with Christ therfore I am a new creation, not a person who walks in an identity of my behavior.
If I robbed a bank last year and repented,does it make me a bankrobber today.
If I was a chef in a restuarant but changed carreers later am I still a chef??
We must walk in who Christ say we are.Repent from sin. Homosexual sin is not worse sin, only one of many and God is above our sins, he love you and me.

tobefree · Jul 14, 2006

conflicted said:
Hey all.
I'm in the same boat.I am attracted to guys as well as girls. Attracted to guys mainly physically, and not really emotionally. I am thankful for this because at least I am still attracted to girls.
I have been reading lots of these posts, and most of you seem to agree that if you don't act on your feelings, then its not a sin to be gay/bi whatever. BUT...I read another post somewhere else that has a verse quoted saying that if you look at another woman lustfully who is not you wife, you have already committed adultery. Does this not apply to the whole gay/bi thing?

I'll appreciate any comments...as this whole situation has me filled with guilt

hI CONFLICTED

Hi I was very active in homosexuality in my teens and desired women as well. I want you to know keep seeking Christ and he will deliver YOU. DOnt buy these compromising believbers lires that it is okay if you love the person or that your orientation cant be changed, or that we were born this way. We have achoice and God is able to deliever us, Homosexuality is wrong. Yes I was ver much into the gay life through my twenties and believed I was gay at that point but then GOT SAVED. kEPP THE TRUTH THAT YOU HAVE NOT THE LLIES ON SOME OF THESE POST WHO ARE REALLY NOT BELIEVERS BUT COME INTO THESE FORUMS TO CONFUSE AND MISLEAD. dONT THINK ALL THESE POSTER S ARE EVEN UNDERSTANDINGH THE GOsPEL LET ALONE cHRISTIAN. gOD BLESS YOU.
tHE HOMOSEXUAL LIFE IS ONE OF PAIN AND EMPTYNESS. pROG AY FOLKS WILL PIOINT TO AN OCCASSIONAL RELATIONSHIP THEY SAY IS HAPPY BUT THIS IS FAR AND FEW BETWEEN AND STILL A LIE BECAUSE IT IS SIN. dONT LISTEN TO THE IMPOSTERS, POSTERS

Johnnz · Jul 14, 2006

groundhog said:
Quite true. But that doesn't mean He always sets someone free. I knew I was attracted to guys at the age of 15, and definitely gay at the age of 17. And now 25 years later nothing has changed - except that I've been celibate for almost 14 years. Yes, I've prayed.....no, I've BEGGED to be freed from it. But that hasn't happened. So oh well - don't quite know what to say about that. Makes me wonder if I'm either meant to be gay, or I'm just not special enough to be set free.

Don't allow you to think of yourself as unworthy or undeserving. You have followed a hard road for 14 years. God has noted that.

For reasons unknown to us God does not undo all the effects of the fall even for Christians, not in this life anyway. Christians die of cancer, are born with physical or mental handicaps, experience uncurable pain etc, etc. Our stories are not yet complete. We must await the grand finale for the Word to more fully reveal His story and then we will understand and worship.

John
NZ

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