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<blockquote data-quote="Freodin" data-source="post: 258744" data-attributes="member: 1363"><p>One of the problems we seem to have in this discussion is that you keep attacking position that none of us ever build.</p><p></p><p>I´m not a scientist as a profession, but I have studied Mathematics and Phyiscs and I have some understanding of Chemistry and Astronomy.</p><p></p><p>I don´t have to know everything to know what I am talking about.</p><p></p><p>I did never - NEVER - claim that the Dead Sea scrolls were the origin of the Bible. I pointed out that they were the oldest existing source for the OT.</p><p></p><p>I did never claim that plants don´t need water or sunlight.</p><p></p><p>That is also not a point of discussion.</p><p></p><p>Scientific fact: all the light that the earth recieves comes from the sun.</p><p>Scientific fact: the light that the sun sends out is a product of the fusion process running there.</p><p>Scientific fact: the amount of energy that is send from the sun - of which just a tiny amount reaches the earth - cannot come from any other process than a nuclear one - and it requires a huge mass.</p><p>Scientific fact: there are no remains observable anywhere in the solar system that would give evidence for the existance of a source of light other than the sun.</p><p></p><p>So, if there was a source of light before the existance of the sun, it is not observable by natural science.</p><p></p><p>You may believe that it originated from God - but it is NOT backed by scientific fact.</p><p></p><p>Scientific fact: two masses like earth and sun orbit their common center of gravity.</p><p>Scientific fact: because the suns weight is much higher than that of the earth, this center of gravity is close to the center of the sun - close enough to say that earth roughly orbits the sun.</p><p>Scientific fact: the spontanous creation of a mass with the weight of the sun would cause tremendous forces to act upon the earth - causing massive disruptions.</p><p></p><p>It is highly unlikely that any plantlife on earth would have survived that.</p><p></p><p>You may believe that somehow God cause these effect not to happen, or that he protected the earth from the effects - but that is also NOT backed up by scientific fact.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, the fact that water and light are mentioned in Genesis prior to creation of plants does not cause a conflict with science - the points mentioned above do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Freodin, post: 258744, member: 1363"] One of the problems we seem to have in this discussion is that you keep attacking position that none of us ever build. I´m not a scientist as a profession, but I have studied Mathematics and Phyiscs and I have some understanding of Chemistry and Astronomy. I don´t have to know everything to know what I am talking about. I did never - NEVER - claim that the Dead Sea scrolls were the origin of the Bible. I pointed out that they were the oldest existing source for the OT. I did never claim that plants don´t need water or sunlight. That is also not a point of discussion. Scientific fact: all the light that the earth recieves comes from the sun. Scientific fact: the light that the sun sends out is a product of the fusion process running there. Scientific fact: the amount of energy that is send from the sun - of which just a tiny amount reaches the earth - cannot come from any other process than a nuclear one - and it requires a huge mass. Scientific fact: there are no remains observable anywhere in the solar system that would give evidence for the existance of a source of light other than the sun. So, if there was a source of light before the existance of the sun, it is not observable by natural science. You may believe that it originated from God - but it is NOT backed by scientific fact. Scientific fact: two masses like earth and sun orbit their common center of gravity. Scientific fact: because the suns weight is much higher than that of the earth, this center of gravity is close to the center of the sun - close enough to say that earth roughly orbits the sun. Scientific fact: the spontanous creation of a mass with the weight of the sun would cause tremendous forces to act upon the earth - causing massive disruptions. It is highly unlikely that any plantlife on earth would have survived that. You may believe that somehow God cause these effect not to happen, or that he protected the earth from the effects - but that is also NOT backed up by scientific fact. So, the fact that water and light are mentioned in Genesis prior to creation of plants does not cause a conflict with science - the points mentioned above do. [/QUOTE]
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