Question about Easter

BarbB · Mar 28, 2006

Oblio said:
I'm plenty aware, thank you, our temples and their contents are full of vestigial Jewish imagery and symbolism as practiced by the Apostles and early Christians.

It's a shame that it's only vestigial. Why do you suppose the church has worked so hard to wipe out the symbolism as practiced by Jesus, the Apostles and the earliest Christians?

Oblio · Mar 28, 2006

It's a shame that it's only vestigial.

The Apostles are Christians, not Jews. Israel was a forshadow of the Church and the Kingdom of God. All things are made new by our Lord Jesus Christ.

WAB · Mar 28, 2006

Oblio said:
And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us. And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger. And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child. And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds. But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart. And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.
(Luke 2:12-20 KJVA)

If it is good enough for the heavenly hosts, the angels and the shepherds who God was pleased to have greet His Son, it is good enough for me !

Yes... and it is more than good enough for me. I think the issue is not whether or where, but when.

Shalom... WAB

p.s. There are such miniscule differences between legitimate translations, that no foundational doctrine is effected.

BarbB · Mar 28, 2006

Oblio said:
The Apostles are Christians, not Jews. Israel was a forshadow of the Church and the Kingdom of God. All things are made new by our Lord Jesus Christ.

Did they know that when they were still worshipping at the Temple?

What do you make of this verse, Oblio?

Romans 10: [11] As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." [12] For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, [13] for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Matrona · Mar 28, 2006

YahwehisHisname said:
Wrong. Easter is Pagan and has 100% of it's roots in Babylon and thus Satanic. It has to do with the Sun crossing the vernal equinox and impregnating mother earth. Nine months later the rebirth of the sun god-Christmas.

That's an interesting opinion, and as someone who's done a bit of research into this topic, I have to say this is something I've never heard before. Could I trouble you to cite a source?

Iollain · Mar 28, 2006

Is it that everything was made new, or was the wall took down between the Jew and Pagan and we are all one those in Christ?

His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility

Iollain · Mar 28, 2006

One in Christ
11Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.
14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Melethiel · Mar 28, 2006

The very names "Bible" and "Church" are from Pagan sun goddesses.

Funny, I've done a lot of research into mythology of various cultures, and have never come across any sun goddesses with names like those. Furthermore, any deity associated with the sun is usually male. On the other hand, "Bible" comes from the Greek word "biblio", which means "book".

In short, post proof or retract.

Oblio · Mar 28, 2006

I think the issue is not whether or where, but when.

Why ?

Oblio · Mar 28, 2006

BarbB said:
Did they know that when they were still worshipping at the Temple?

So do we

What do you make of this verse, Oblio?

That to be a Jew is no longer of any special significance to God. In fact, to be a Jew is not enough, one must be a Christian, and if one is Christian (Jew), he is equal before God along with the Greeks.

YahwehisHisname · Mar 29, 2006

Melethiel said:
Funny, I've done a lot of research into mythology of various cultures, and have never come across any sun goddesses with names like those. Furthermore, any deity associated with the sun is usually male. On the other hand, "Bible" comes from the Greek word "biblio", which means "book".

In short, post proof or retract.

There are only two honest ways to deal with the Greek term ekklesia, which we erroneously translate "Church". When it is being used as a word it must be translated called-out, assembly, called-out assembly, or out-calling. When it is being used as a title it must be transliterated ekklesia. There are no other valid or rational options. The word/title church is erroneous as it is neither a translation nor transliteration of the Greek ekklesia/called-out assembly. Worse, the only linguistic basis for church is the name of the Anglo-Saxon sungoddess Circe, the daughter of Helios. Her name was pronounced Chirch, and it gave rise to the English words circle and circus. Circles are symbols for the sun and circuses were known for acts of magic. Also, keep in mind that when determining the legacy of ancient words, its the consonants which count, not the vowels. Circe and church are based upon crc with the h being silent and thus optional.
Circe is a goddess with an illustrious past. In Greek mythology, Circe was the daughter of the Sun. She wore a nimbus or disc of light around her head, identical to the ones Catholics place above Marys likeness.

The Bible doesnt call itself the Bible as Biblos is the name of a pagan Phoenician goddess.

The scroll (biblion written sheet, roll or book) of the prophet (prophetes inspiredforth-teller and foreteller who reveals the hidden things of God and future events) Yashayah (Hesaias transliteration of Yashayah; from yashaand Yah meaning: Yah-Has-Saved; errantly transliterated: Isaiah in most English Bibles) was delivered to Him. He unrolled the scroll (biblion from biblosthe inner bark of the papyrus plant used to make scrolls for writing), and came upon the place (topos) where it was written (grapho delineated on parchment or described on papyrus with pen or stylus; to express information, convey meaning, and communicate instructions and directions by the use of alphabetic characters): (Luke 4:17)

While the papyrus scroll Yahshua unfurled was called a biblion, the inspiration on the scroll was Grapho,the Written Word, Scripturenot Bible. Bible is a moronic transliteration of the Greek word biblosthe papyrus bark used to make written scrolls, sheets, or books. Turns out, sadly, that biblos is from Biblia, of the name of the Canaanite sun goddess. The Phoenician town known for weaving papyrus into scrolls was named in her honor. I am certain that we have offended Yahweh by attributing His Scripture to a sun goddess.
Using Bible is more than a careless error or simple mistake. Words like biblion should always be translated. So biblion could be correctly rendered book or scroll, but not bible. Moreover, the operative word in the sentence was grapho, meaning the Written Word or Scripture. Since only names are transliterated, when clerics decided to transliterate Biblia into Bible, and not grapho into graphics, they were specifically referring to the name of the pagan goddess, not to the word for scroll, because they would have translated it book. Foolishly calling Yahwehs Written Word by the thing upon which His words were written, if just a mistake, would have rendered the Scriptures book. But by transliterating Biblia, the early Roman Catholic priests were unfaithful, not foolish, misattributing the divinely inspired Word to Satan. I keep hearing "Funny, I've done a lot of research into mythology of various cultures...." yet a cursory study should reveal these facts to you. You may want to read Hislop's "Two Babylons" and "come out of her my people" to start off.

prodromos · Mar 29, 2006

YahwehisHisname said:
My beliefs are unimportant. Facts are not. Everything I said is fact. I also was shocked to learn of how pathetic we are as His witnesses. We have become worthless. The Church is drenched in Sun god worship. The very names "Bible" and "Church" are from Pagan sun goddesses.

"Bible" comes from the Greek word "βίβλος" which simply means "book". Your facts are anything but.

John.

prodromos · Mar 29, 2006

YahwehisHisname said:
Turns out, sadly, that biblos is from Biblia, of the name of the Canaanite sun goddess.

And my name is also a colloquial term for "toilet" in some cultures. I'm sure you will draw all sorts of interesting conclusions from that one

John

Oblio · Mar 29, 2006

But by transliterating Biblia, the early Roman Catholic priests were unfaithful, not foolish, misattributing the divinely inspired Word to Satan.

Your grasp of history seems to be as dextrous as that of linguistics and etymology.

Oblio · Mar 29, 2006

/me waits for the inevitable 'dissertation' on how Iesous is really a term for the pagan God Zeus

prodromos · Mar 29, 2006

Oblio said:
Your grasp of history seems to be as dextrous as that of linguistics and etymology.

Explained below

YahwehisHisname said:
You may want to read Hislop's "Two Babylons"

Melethiel · Mar 29, 2006

You may want to read Hislop's "Two Babylons" and "come out of her my people" to start off.

Sorry, but when I research, I go to reputable sources...

YahwehisHisname · Mar 29, 2006

Religion brainwashes like I have never seen before. I give tons of info and all of you wishful thinking, create a god in my image types, just come back with your misguided opinions which mean nothing to an objective truth seeker. To be frank, I couldn't care less about what you think. If you can refute what I said with facts, I'd love to see them, but I won't respond to

Oblio waits for the inevitable 'dissertation' on how Iesous is really a term for the pagan God Zeus

Your grasp of history seems to be as dextrous as that of linguistics and etymology.
And my name is also a colloquial term for "toilet" in some cultures. I'm sure you will draw all sorts of interesting conclusions from that one

"Bible" comes from the Greek word "βίβλος" which simply means "book". Your facts are anything but.

because there is no need to respond to conjecture, speculation, opinion, and flat out foolish wishful thinking that flies in the face of every rational piece of evidence we have in existence. Crack a book and avoid embarrassing retorts like above. The truth shall set you free.

Oblio · Mar 29, 2006

I give tons of info ...

No, you gave personal opinion and reference such nonsense as Hislop's Two Babylons* as a source of your facts.

Are you part of the Sacred Name Cult ? I find it odd and telling that you claim no church affiliation in your profile.

* - A case study in poor scholarship.

Lynn73 · Mar 29, 2006

Melethiel said:
Sorry, but when I research, I go to reputable sources...
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I find that reputable sources seem to be in the eye of the beholder. It's reputable if it agrees with your position. If it doesn't agree with you, it's not reputable. Not that I'm saying you're like this but I think some people are.

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