Question about divination and the bible

[Gold fish]

In 1 Samuel 15:23.It says rebellion is like the sin of divination..How so?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In 1 Samuel 15:23.It says rebellion is like the sin of divination..How so?

I'm not really all that proficient with either, so can only really guess.

Divination is seeking an answer from a divination device instead of God.

Rebellion is usurping authority through force instead of seeking God for justice.

OR

Rebellion is worshiping another god and not the creator.

my question is: in what way are rebellion and divination alike ... that is unlike all the other sins?

 

[RichardY]

@Gold fish The translation for the quote you gave says Witchcraft, and not divination. Basically because witchcraft is inversion. And the person has rejected the word of the Lord (Logic). His being is now separate from the Lord.

1 Samuel 15:23 For [k]rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and transgression is wickedness and idolatry. Because thou hast cast away the word of the Lord, therefore he hath cast away thee from being king.

 

[Shimshon]

In 1 Samuel 15:23.It says rebellion is like the sin of divination..How so?

What do you think divination is? And do you understand how rebellion and divination played out in this chapter?

In short, Saul was arrogant and rebellious. He thought he knew best (divination), and did not do exactly what the Lord had commanded him to do, (rebellion).

1 samuel 15:24 Contains the omen that caused Saul to rebel against Lord. By that omen he foresaw, falsely, that things would not go as the Lord had planned. So he wavered from the command that he was given.

 

[Gold fish]

@Gold fish The translation for the quote you gave says Witchcraft, and not divination. Basically because witchcraft is inversion. And the person has rejected the word of the Lord (Logic). His being is now separate from the Lord.

1 Samuel 15:23 For [k]rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and transgression is wickedness and idolatry. Because thou hast cast away the word of the Lord, therefore he hath cast away thee from being king.

Sorry.I was using the niv bible translation.For my translation.

 

[WESTOZZIE]

It's the same today....refusing to believe what God says is rebellion against God. Just as those who try to get another word by occult means, ie divining, leaves in teacup, mediums, tarot, etc etc....are rebelling against God. They don't want to believe in Jesus-The Word of God, are in rebellion against Him, so will seek another word to follow. So I see God saying here that the two activities- Rebellion and Divination are the same. Later Saul went to the well known witch of Endor to seek a more favourable word for his situation...He had rejected following God's word through Samuel--rebellion...which only gave him one option...seek a false word from a false source.

 

[com7fy8]

Saul at first did what was wrong, disobedient.

Then he ended up going to a medium, which is possibly some sort of divination person.

So, the disobedience in one way could have been connected with producing the disobedience in the other way.

So, this could show that the two are connected. Starting with one, he wound up with the other. There is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," our Apostle Paul says in Ephesians 2:2. Satan's same evil spirit produces the disobedience of rebellion and of divination, and ones can see the degradation this selfish spirit causes in people, in one's character and emotions and personality.

Saul, in disobeying, kept getting worse and worse and worse, including in fear even while taking action to control his kingdom, with many cooperating with him > yet, he kept being able to act in fear. So, there is fear which somehow comes with both, also.

But divination was possibly thought to be an obvious sin. And Samuel possibly meant to show how disobedience, though not obviously like divination, still was very displeasing to God . . . in how He sees things and feels. And perhaps Samuel was telling Saul how Saul in disobeying could be on his way to also sinning in divination; and at that time, possibly, Saul was thinking, "No way could I do something that bad!" But after getting started, he did go on to that.