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I was sitting in a local fast food restaurant when an older gentleman wearing a chain with a celtic cross over his tie walked in. I thought he was a Priest and so I asked. No he wasn't a priest. So my next question was then was he a local Church attendee? 'Well', he replied, 'I belong to the Catholic Church', he answered.

So I stopped to mention how I just saw the Vatican and the news about the smoke which was emitting out of their chimney. Myself, not being a devout follower of all Catholic events, didn't know that the smoke billowing signified having voted in a new Pope. I thought the Vatican was on 'fire'.... And so I understood and the gentleman reminded me that the smoke of the Vatican had been going on for the last 40 years, as far as he could recall.

So I learned something new.

So I again, trying to start some type of conversation with a nice appearing gentleman regarding Christianity in any form, denomination, for the sake of having a conversation about Christianity, Church, even The Catholic Church, pointed out how the new Pope was from Chicago. And how we, as U.S. citizens, do not have to write to him in any other language other than plain old English and he would be able to understand our point...

But the question I really was intending to ask was this... Him being a believer of Creation... and also the Catholic Church and even any Protestant Church.. being believers of Creation.... the question being asked is.... If a person is not in that particular line of Creation, with its Truth, can that person be a sane and sound person...

'Well', he replied... 'but I'm a believer'...

Okay... but what about any 'other' person who has their daily life as a non believer of Creation? Can that person be sound and sane in body, soul, etc...??


So my question is that.. if a person is not within that 'line' of Truth in their own 'belief' system, per se... can that person be a sound and sane person?
 
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I think there are some really smart and logical minds out there that are not creationist. Look at history and some of the philosophers and you can see they are "sane". While I would say I disagree with some of their reasoning on various topics, I see wisdom in a lot of their ideas. If I'm missing your point, please let me know because I was struggling a little to make sure I understood your question.
 
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I think insanity in the realm of religion is when you have thoughts that are contrary to each other—dichotomies in your logic structure tear at your ability to reason. If you hold to two contradictory thoughts that you cannot reconcile, that is a form of insanity. I believe that everything about God and what He says is entirely logical. He has no illogical thoughts or thoughts that contradict. We may not have access to all His thoughts; some are hidden. But when and if those thoughts are revealed, they will be entirely logical with no logical contradictions. I often hear that God is "too big" to understand, and even "I would not want a God that I can understand." These are not valid statements. We may not have all the information, but it would make perfect sense if we did. Many believers hide behind these false concepts to justify or excuse their illogical and contradictory beliefs. If you listen to a teacher and he begins using phrases like "God is" so and so, and "yet" He is also so and so. And those "so and so" statements contradict each other... then there is a problem, and he is trying to excuse his illogical/contradictory beliefs and do so at the expense of God's truth and integrity. God is always logical, and everything He says makes perfect sense. There are no contradictions in God. We may not have all the information we need to see the logical connections, but if we did, we would see no problems. However, if you have obvious contradictions in your belief system and seek to excuse them or cover them up with the statement "God is too big to understand," you may encounter sanity issues in your life.
 
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Religions tend to draw a distinction between passion and lust by further categorizing lust as an immoral desire and passion as morally accepted.

Lust is defined as immoral because its object or action of affection is improperly ordered according to natural law and/or the appetite for the particular object (eg sexual desire) is governing the person's will and intellect rather than the will and intellect governing the appetite for that object.

Whereas passion, regardless of its strength, is maintained to be something God-given and moral, because the purpose, actions and intentions behind it are benevolent and ordered toward creation, while also being governed by the person's intellect and will. A primary school of thought on this is Thomism, which speaks on the intellect, will and appetite, and draws from principles defined by Aristotle. However, the exact definitions assigned to what is morally definite and ordered toward creation depend on the religion. For example, religions based in pantheism and theism will differ on what is moral according to the nature of the "God" acknowledged or worshipped.

Lust - Wikipedia


Lust is an intense desire for something.[1][2] Lust can take any form such as the lust for sexual activity (see libido), money, or power; but it can also take such mundane forms as the lust for food (see gluttony; as distinct from the need for food) or the lust for redolence (when one is lusting for a particular smell that brings back memories). Lust is similar to, but distinguished from, passion, in that properly ordered passion propels individuals to achieve benevolent goals whilst lust does not.

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True parameters or does the definitions need amending?



Proverbs 6:25
"Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids."


chamad: To desire, to covet, to take pleasure in, to delight in
Original Word: חָמַד
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: chamad
Pronunciation: khaw-MAD
Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-mad')
KJV: beauty, greatly beloved, covet, delectable thing, (X great) delight, desire, goodly, lust, (be) pleasant (thing), precious (thing)
NASB: covet, desirable, desired, desires, precious, attracted, coveted
Word Origin: [a primitive root]

1. to delight in

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Exodus 15;9 "The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them."


nephesh: Soul, life, self, person, heart, creature, mind, living being
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Pronunciation: neh'-fesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
KJV: any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead(-ly), desire, X (dis-)contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-)self, them (your)-selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it
NASB: soul, life, person, lives, himself, persons, yourselves





According to the DSM-III-R, the diagnostic criteria were defined by a pervasive pattern of sadistic and cruel behavior that began in early adulthood. It was defined by four of the following.

  • Has used physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance in a relationship (not merely to achieve some noninterpersonal goal, such as striking someone in order to rob him/her).
  • Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others.
  • Has treated or disciplined someone under his/her control unusually harshly.
  • Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals).
  • Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal).
  • Gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror).
  • Restricts the autonomy of people with whom he or she has a close relationship, e.g., will not let spouse leave the house unaccompanied or permit teenage daughter to attend social functions.
  • Is fascinated by violence, weapons, injury, or torture.
This behavior couldn’t have been better explained by sexual sadism disorder and it had to have been directed towards more than one person


Sadistic personality disorder - Wikipedia



Sadistic personality disorder does not actually refer to any sexual interest, and instead refers to the pervasive disregard for the well-being of other people. It is usually associated with a history of violence and criminality (which can include, but is not limited to sexual crimes).


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Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP), also known as congenital analgesia, is an inability for a person to feel physical pain due to various rare genetic conditions. CIP is caused by genetic mutations that affect the development or function of nociceptors, the sensory neurons in the brain responsible for recognizing tissue damage. Common symptoms include damage to the oral cavity, repeated bone fractures, and sometimes the inability to sweat. Some forms of CIP are also correlated with intellectual disabilities, learning disabilities, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Hereditary sensory autonomic neuropathies (HSAN) fall under the umbrella of CIP. Methods of treatment are still being explored. The epidemiology of CIP is unclear, given the relatively low number of reported cases.

Congenital insensitivity to pain - Wikipedia



Fine touch (or discriminative touch) is a sensory modality that allows a subject to sense and localize touch. The form of touch where localization is not possible is known as crude touch. The dorsal column–medial lemniscus pathway is the pathway responsible for the sending of fine touch information to the cerebral cortex of the brain.

Crude touch (non-discriminating) is a sensory modality that allows the subject to sense that something has touched them, without being able to localize where they were touched (contrasting "fine touch"). Its fibres are carried in the spinothalamic tract, unlike the fine touch, which is carried in the dorsal column. [26] As fine touch normally works in parallel to crude touch, a person will be able to localize touch until fibres carrying fine touch (in the dorsal column–medial lemniscus pathway) have been disrupted. Then the subject will feel the touch, but be unable to identify where they were touched.



Channelopathy-associated congenital insensitivity to pain is a condition that inhibits the ability to perceive physical pain. From birth, affected individuals never feel pain in any part of their body when injured. People with this condition can feel the difference between sharp and dull and hot and cold, but they cannot sense, for example, that a hot beverage is burning their tongue. Pain is a vital signal that helps people avoid danger and injuries. People who cannot feel pain experience more injuries and may have shorter life expectancies.


Channelopathy-associated congenital insensitivity to pain: MedlinePlus Genetics

Variants (also called mutations) in the SCN9A gene cause channelopathy-associated congenital insensitivity to pain. The SCN9A gene provides instructions for making one part (the alpha subunit) of a sodium channel called NaV1.7. Sodium channels create an opening in the cell membrane to transport positively charged sodium atoms (sodium ions) into cells. Sodium ion transport play a key role in a cell's ability to generate and transmit electrical signals.

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The SCN9A gene, which encodes the Nav1.7 sodium channel protein, is located on Chromosome 2 at the locus 2q24.3 in humans. This gene plays a crucial role in the excitability of peripheral neurons, particularly those responsible for sensing pain (nociceptors), and is also found in olfactory sensory neurons.


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Chromosome 2 - Wikipedia



Foods rich in antioxidants, folic acid, omega-3s, iron, and zinc support chromosome health and DNA synthesis. Examples include dark leafy greens, berries, whole grains, nuts, seeds, fatty fish, beans, and legumes. A balanced diet emphasizing plant-based foods and healthy fats, while limiting processed foods, refined sugars, and alcohol, can promote overall cellular health for chromosomes.


What you eat can reprogram your genes – an expert explains the emerging science of nutrigenomics
 
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So my question is that.. if a person is not within that 'line' of Truth in their own 'belief' system, per se... can that person be a sound and sane person?
Example. Was the Jewish Holocaust so wrong because Mr. Hitler was sane and sound?

Why were the Jews targeted which led to others being targeted?
 
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Example. Was the Jewish Holocaust so wrong because Mr. Hitler was sane and sound?

Why were the Jews targeted which led to others being targeted?
Define "sane" because a sane person understands what they're doing, even if you believe their actions are evil. While an insane person for example, would be incapable of mentally understanding the consequences of their action and there seems to be a disconnect with their reasoning abilities. So in your example, Hitler would be "sane", but evil. So I don't think you could debate sanity just based off of someones beliefs, it would have to be delved deeper than that in order to see if their beliefs are reasonably sound to them, even if they are evil.

So to be clear, regardless if someone is within or not their own line of truth or belief system, you can't classify someone as sane or insane, it would have to be whether their brain can function/understand and reason verses someone who cannot. Obviously there is more to it than that, but I'm summing up while giving an example that we would need to define insanity, have a scope for checking, and then apply that scope in order to say if someone is insane or not and I don't think just purely based on their belief system is an adequate rule of measurement.
 
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I was sitting in a local fast food restaurant when an older gentleman wearing a chain with a celtic cross over his tie walked in. I thought he was a Priest and so I asked. No he wasn't a priest. So my next question was then was he a local Church attendee? 'Well', he replied, 'I belong to the Catholic Church', he answered.

So I stopped to mention how I just saw the Vatican and the news about the smoke which was emitting out of their chimney. Myself, not being a devout follower of all Catholic events, didn't know that the smoke billowing signified having voted in a new Pope. I thought the Vatican was on 'fire'.... And so I understood and the gentleman reminded me that the smoke of the Vatican had been going on for the last 40 years, as far as he could recall.

So I learned something new.

So I again, trying to start some type of conversation with a nice appearing gentleman regarding Christianity in any form, denomination, for the sake of having a conversation about Christianity, Church, even The Catholic Church, pointed out how the new Pope was from Chicago. And how we, as U.S. citizens, do not have to write to him in any other language other than plain old English and he would be able to understand our point...

But the question I really was intending to ask was this... Him being a believer of Creation... and also the Catholic Church and even any Protestant Church.. being believers of Creation.... the question being asked is.... If a person is not in that particular line of Creation, with its Truth, can that person be a sane and sound person...

'Well', he replied... 'but I'm a believer'...

Okay... but what about any 'other' person who has their daily life as a non believer of Creation? Can that person be sound and sane in body, soul, etc...??


So my question is that.. if a person is not within that 'line' of Truth in their own 'belief' system, per se... can that person be a sound and sane person?
What do you mean by sane by believing in creation? Do you mean a literal 6 day creation, young earth creation? If so, the RCC accepts evolution and believes that God created everything.
 
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