Q regarding sin and judgement?

[theophile]

I cannot remember the exact wording, but I remember where EGW stated that we would be judged for our sins, and even those sins we would've committed had we had the opportunity.
I have a real problem with this. This earth is our place to show the universe our character, with or w/o Jesus. If we are guilty of sins we did not commit, why even go through the motions of having us live? We could have been just an area of discussion between the angels and the LORD. If we demonstrate a tendency, that does not mean in every case, we will react in the same way. Past behavior is merely a predictor of future behavior, a predictor--not an absolute.

I welcome your comments. I need to see "the light" here.

 

[Adventtruth]

I cannot remember the exact wording, but I remember where EGW stated that we would be judged for our sins, and even those sins we would've committed had we had the opportunity.

Now that you mention it, I do recall hearing this same thing years ago, but I never read it. I can tell you, either Jesus paid for them, or we pay for them. It all depends if you are in the first Adam or the second Adam. As far as paying for sins we did not do, then thats just not true. I hope she did not write that.


Adventtruth

 

[OntheDL]

I cannot remember the exact wording, but I remember where EGW stated that we would be judged for our sins, and even those sins we would've committed had we had the opportunity.
I have a real problem with this. This earth is our place to show the universe our character, with or w/o Jesus. If we are guilty of sins we did not commit, why even go through the motions of having us live? We could have been just an area of discussion between the angels and the LORD. If we demonstrate a tendency, that does not mean in every case, we will react in the same way. Past behavior is merely a predictor of future behavior, a predictor--not an absolute.

I welcome your comments. I need to see "the light" here.

Jesus said if you look upon a woman with lust, you have committed adultery.

If I planned to rob a bank, but saw two polices car parked outside, I couldn't do it. Eventhough the act was not carried out, the intension was there.

Jesus also said every act is first conceived in our minds. The justification pays for the sins we commit that we confess and turn away from. The sanctification cleanses our hearts to make us holy.

What good is it that we don't sin outside, but inside we are full of sinful thoughts?

Hope this makes sense.

 

[theophile]

Of Course!!! thank you!!

 

[Adventtruth]

I cannot remember the exact wording, but I remember where EGW stated that we would be judged for our sins, and even those sins we would've committed had we had the opportunity.

If we are guilty of sins we did not commit, why even go through the motions of having us live?

I must of mis-understood you here.

Your post implies that the sins where not committed, not that the sins where pre-meditated and committed already in your mind.

Adventtruth

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I cannot remember the exact wording, but I remember where EGW stated that we would be judged for our sins, and even those sins we would've committed had we had the opportunity

That would be an interesting quote if you can find it. In Economics there is something called "opportunity costs" which is what using you capital in a different way may cost you as opposed to what you actually spend you capital on. The idea that we will be judged by "opportunity sins", strikes me as going a bit far. I mean just how bad of sinners do we have to be? Seems that what we really have done is sufficient to condemn anyone as being a hard core sinner without going to the possibilities had we the opportunity to sin some more.

 

[Adventtruth]

I cannot remember the exact wording, but I remember where EGW stated that we would be judged for our sins, and even those sins we would've committed had we had the opportunity.

I see the straw man in the above quote. It is dispelled by Romans 7:13

Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.



Adventtruth

 

[theophile]

I must of mis-understood you here.

Your post implies that the sins where not committed, not that the sins where pre-meditated and committed already in your mind.

Adventtruth

That is what I believe she said. I am starting to feel like you are on me because I asked.
Of course the premeditated part MUST exist, but I was concerned about this--->sins we would've committed had we had the opportunity.
My post says what it says,and because you've been on me twice about it(I assume it is to save face--let's be honest) I certainly won't post here again.

There, now you're right back being the correct guy. Feel better?.

 

[Adventtruth]

That is what I believe she said. I am starting to feel like you are on me because I asked.
Of course the premeditated part MUST exist, but I was concerned about this--->sins we would've committed had we had the opportunity.
My post says what it says,and because you've been on me twice about it(I assume it is to save face--let's be honest) I certainly won't post here again.

There, now you're right back being the correct guy. Feel better?.

Its not about me trying to be the correct guy. I honestly misunderstood what you were trying to say. Thats all. Was not trying to save face at all. Please, kindly forgive me for sending you the wrong message...I'l try to do better the next, but please don't let something as such keep you from learning and sharing here.

Blessings

Adventtruth

 

[masmpg]

Hello Theophile,
Here is the quote from Sister White, :"God's law reaches the feelings and motives, as well as the outward acts. It reveals the secrets of the heart, flashing light upon things before buried in darkness. God knows every thought, every purpose, every plan, every motive. The books of heaven record the sins that would have been committed had there been opportunity. God will bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing. By His law He measures the character of every man. As the artist transfers to the canvas the features of the face, so the features of each individual character are transferred to the books of heaven. God has a perfect photograph of every man's character, and this photograph He compares with His law. He reveals to man the defects that mar his life, and calls upon him to repent and turn from sin (ST July 31, 1901)." {5BC 1085.4}
What I read here is that God does judge motives, and Jesus even said if you look at a woman with the evil though you are guilty. So ask yourself personally when the sin begins in your own life. If you feel guilty thinking, or doing something that the Lord says is wrong when does the sin begin. . .This is between you and God. Nobody can tell you when you are committing a sin in your mind, but God reads the thoughts.

God Bless you
Jeff

 

[Jimlarmore]

Theophile,
Remember this, God sent His beloved Son to die for all of our sins no matter if they are actual or perceived sins. God is desparate to save us. He will do all He can to make that happen. When we confess our sins and repent of them God wipes them out of existence. As long as we abide in His love and keep our life within the true vine we don't have to worry about sins that we may have committed. God bless you friend as you live your life before our Holy Creator. Stand firm in the righteousness of Christ and praise His Holy Name forever.

God Bless you,

Jim Larmore