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Putin's lapdog

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The Conservative Circle:

Vladimir Putin has a plan for destroying the West—and that plan looks a lot like Donald Trump. Over the past decade, Russia hasboosted right-wing populists across Europe. It loaned money to Marine Le Pen in France, well-documented transfusions of cash to keep her presidential campaign alive. Such largesse also wended its way to the former Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi, who profited “personally and handsomely” from Russian energy deals, as an American ambassador to Rome once put it. (Berlusconi also shared a 240-year-old bottle of Crimean wine with Putin and apparently makes ample use of a bed gifted to him by the Russian president.)​

There’s a clear pattern: Putin runs stealth efforts on behalf of politicians who rail against the European Union and want to push away from NATO. He’s been a patron of Golden Dawn in Greece, Ataka in Bulgaria, and Jobbik in Hungary. Joe Biden warned about this effort last year in a speech at the Brookings Institution: “President Putin sees such political forces as useful tools to be manipulated, to create cracks in the European body politic which he can then exploit.” Ruptures that will likely multiply after Brexit—a campaign Russia’s many propaganda organs bombastically promoted.​

The destruction of Europe is a grandiose objective; so is the weakening of the United States. Until recently, Putin has only focused glancing attention on American elections. Then along came the presumptive Republican nominee.
http://conservativecircle.org/forums/topic/putins-puppet-donald-trump/

Robert Reich:

1. Trump's debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million. At the same time, he’s been blackballed by all major US banks.​

2. Post-bankruptcy, Trump has become highly reliant on money from Russia -- most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin.​

3. Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and top advisor, spent most of the last decade as top campaign and communications advisor to Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian Ukrainian Prime Minister and then President whose ouster in 2014 led to the on-going crisis and proxy war in Ukraine. Yanukovych was and remains a close ally of Putin.​

4. Trump's foreign policy advisor on Russia and Europe is Carter Page, a man whose entire professional career has revolved around investments in Russia and who has deep and continuing financial and employment ties to Gazprom, which, in turn, is part of Putin’s financial empire.​

5. Over the course of the last year, Putin has aligned all Russian state controlled media behind Trump.​

6. The Trump Camp was totally indifferent to the Republican Party platform, with one exception: They changed the party platform to eliminate assistance to Ukraine against Russian military operations in eastern Ukraine. Not incidentally, this is the single most important issue to Putin.​

7. Trump is also suggesting the US and thus NATO might not come to the defense of NATO member states in the Baltics in the case of a Russian invasion -- another important issue to Putin.
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I have noticed that the republicans have been warming to Putin. They HAVE to, because if they did not then they would question why Trump acts so much like Putin.

They haven't, it's just a narrative that a lot on the left embrace. A lot of Republicans have been very vocal against the guy.In fact it's really only Trump who embraces Putin.
 
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They haven't, it's just a narrative that a lot on the left embrace. A lot of Republicans have been very vocal against the guy.In fact it's really only Trump who embraces Putin.

Trump embraces Putin, and Republicans embrace Trump

Think about that....
 
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I have noticed that the republicans have been warming to Putin. They HAVE to, because if they did not then they would question why Trump acts so much like Putin.
Trump supporters are saying that. But I had no trouble finding conservatives who have concerns about Trump's connection to Putin. Erick Erickson and Jeffrey Goldberg and The Weekly Standard http://www.weeklystandard.com/putins-party/article/2003473

Trump supporters who spin this are not conservatives. They're just one more group of right-wing nationalists supported by Putin, in a game of international chess he mastered in the KGB. This is a smart, capable statesman who knows how to use people who need help.
 
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They haven't, it's just a narrative that a lot on the left embrace. A lot of Republicans have been very vocal against the guy.In fact it's really only Trump who embraces Putin.

...it was only a couple years ago (if that) that some talking heads on the right were singing Putin's praises.
 
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(shrugs) Seems like a smokescreen to me.

Last election GOP were 'very afraid' of Russia due to comments Romney made. Of course this was mocked.

This election? DEM's got hacked, and we don't know by whom yet - for all we know it could be Russia. Now we need to connect the dots between Trump and Putin - and some weird love fest.

I mean did Russia and Trump write the emails too?
 
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Trump supporters are saying that. But I had no trouble finding conservatives who have concerns about Trump's connection to Putin. Erick Erickson and Jeffrey Goldberg and The Weekly Standard http://www.weeklystandard.com/putins-party/article/2003473
If that particular trio say it, you can be certain that it's not so.

These are the guys who gave us the "NeverTrump" tirades and now this is all they have left to cling to.
 
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The flaw in this reasoning is that no one could be easier for Putin to push around than Hillary. And he has plenty of experience doing exactly that, so there's little reason to think he doesn't realize this fact.

....after the naïve statements Trump has made to date regarding NATO and his adoring comments of Putin's leadership. Now we learn the Russians hacked the DNC.....
 
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The flaw in this reasoning is that no one could be easier for Putin to push around than Hillary. And he has plenty of experience doing exactly that, so there's little reason to think he doesn't realize this fact.
I see a flaw in this reasoning (the bolded part)....
 
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....after the naïve statements Trump has made to date regarding NATO and his adoring comments of Putin's leadership. Now we learn the Russians hacked the DNC.....

lol did they write the emails for them too?

The substance of the emails isn't an issue, but just where people think the leak came from?
 
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lol did they write the emails for them too?

The substance of the emails isn't an issue, but just where people think the leak came from?

Two issues. And yes, the more serious point is the Russians can hack a political party's database....at will. It may be time to provide cyber security to our political parties. If it happened to the DNC, it can most certainly happen to the GOP.
 
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