Psalms of David compared to Psalters of Mary.

[simonthezealot]

Compare the Psalms of David with the The Psalter of the Blessed Virgin:
http://www.franciscan-sfo.org/ap/bona/PSALTER.htm


15

Preserve me, O Lord, for I have put my trust in thee.

Preserve me, O Lady, for I have hoped in thee:

25
Judge me, O Lord, for I have walked in my innocence:
Judge me, O Lady, for I have departed from my innocence:

53
Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me in thy strength
O Lady, save me in thy name: and deliver me from my injustices.

The name of God is replaced with reference to Mary and the Catholic Church does not condemn this nor even try to distance themselves from those who promote it in fact it is referenced in
FIDENTEM PIUMQUE ANIMUM ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE ROSARY

Below is The Psalters of Mary 148:

Let us praise Our Lady in the heavens: glorify her in the highest.

Praise her, all ye men and beasts: birds of the air, and fishes of the sea.

Praise her, sun and moon: stars, and the orbs of the planets.

Praise her, Cherubim and Seraphim: thrones and dominations and powers.

Praise her, all ye legions of angels: praise her all order of heavenly
dwellers.



While Psalms 148 says:

1 Hallelujah! 1 Praise the LORD from the heavens; give praise in the heights.
2 Praise him, all you angels; give praise, all you hosts.
3 Praise him, sun and moon; give praise, all shining stars.
4 Praise him, highest heavens, you waters above the heavens.
5 Let them all praise the LORD'S name; for the LORD commanded and they were created,

 

[bbbbbbb]

Pretty amazing to me! I was not at all familiar with the Psalter of Mary until reading this thread. It appears that Mary is the recipient of the worship due only to God Himself. This is a serious error verging on heresy. How do Catholics explain it?

 

[simonthezealot]

I don't know how they can except to simply agree that this stuff is partially why her image has taken on an almost deistic identity.

 

[simonthezealot]

Hey this thread is posting in reverse????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[Mary of Bethany]

Just FYI, as an Orthodox Christian, I've never heard of the Psalter of Mary, nor would we reword the Psalms like this. We do have some pretty "flowery" prayers to the Theotokos and the Saints that you wouldn't like , that say things like "save me by thy prayers" (where "save" is used as helping, not doing what only Christ can do), but we would never say things like "save me in thy name" to anyone other than Christ. We use that very verse in our services, and it is sung to Christ "Save me in Thy name, and in Thy power Thou shalt judge me."

Mary

 

[Mary of Bethany]

Uh oh. The weird post order bug is back.

Mary

 

[Danya]

Compare the Psalms of David with the The Psalter of the Blessed Virgin:
http://www.franciscan-sfo.org/ap/bona/PSALTER.htm


15

Preserve me, O Lord, for I have put my trust in thee.

Preserve me, O Lady, for I have hoped in thee:

25
Judge me, O Lord, for I have walked in my innocence:
Judge me, O Lady, for I have departed from my innocence:

53
Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me in thy strength
O Lady, save me in thy name: and deliver me from my injustices.

The name of God is replaced with reference to Mary and the Catholic Church does not condemn this nor even try to distance themselves from those who promote it in fact it is referenced in
FIDENTEM PIUMQUE ANIMUM ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE ROSARY

Below is The Psalters of Mary 148:

Let us praise Our Lady in the heavens: glorify her in the highest.

Praise her, all ye men and beasts: birds of the air, and fishes of the sea.

Praise her, sun and moon: stars, and the orbs of the planets.

Praise her, Cherubim and Seraphim: thrones and dominations and powers.

Praise her, all ye legions of angels: praise her all order of heavenly
dwellers.



While Psalms 148 says:

1 Hallelujah! 1 Praise the LORD from the heavens; give praise in the heights.
2 Praise him, all you angels; give praise, all you hosts.
3 Praise him, sun and moon; give praise, all shining stars.
4 Praise him, highest heavens, you waters above the heavens.
5 Let them all praise the LORD'S name; for the LORD commanded and they were created,

The glory of God is given to Mary instead. Lord have mercy.
Wanting Mary to be judge over them, to perserve them, to save them.
Mary worship tis what it is.

 

[Danya]

THE PSALTER OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY
by St. Bonaventure

PSALM 23
The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof: but thou, O most holy Mother, reignest with Him forever. Thou art clothed with glory and beauty: every precious stone is thy covering and thy clothing. The brightness of the sun is upon thy head: the beauty of the moon is beneath thy feet. Shining orbs adorn thy throne: the morning stars glorify thee forever. Be mindful of us, O Lady, in thy good pleasure: and make us worthy to glorify thy name.
Glory be to the Father, etc.

http://www.franciscan-sfo.org/ap/bona/PSALTER.htm#Ps 1

 

[christianmomof3]

Sad. I have not seen any defense of it. Who uses it?
And confusing that this is posting backwards. Is it just this thread or the whole board? Perhaps it is a sign - of something.

 

[Danya]

Sad. I have not seen any defense of it. Who uses it?
And confusing that this is posting backwards. Is it just this thread or the whole board? Perhaps it is a sign - of something.

I have only seen it with this thread.

Bonaventure in the cc is a Doctor of the Church.

Certain ecclesiastical writers have received this title on account of the great advantage the whole Church has derived from their doctrine.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05075a.htm

 

[simonthezealot]

Sad. I have not seen any defense of it. Who uses it?
And confusing that this is posting backwards. Is it just this thread or the whole board? Perhaps it is a sign - of something.

This papal encyclical seems to indicate its purpose is for the rosary prayers if i understand it correctly...

FIDENTEM PIUMQUE ANIMUM

2. The form of prayer We refer to has obtained the special name of "Rosary," as though it represented by its arrangement the sweetness of roses and the charm of a garland. This is most fitting for a method of venerating the Virgin, who is rightly styled the Mystical Rose of Paradise, and who, as Queen of the universe, shines therein with a crown of stars. So that by its very name it appears to foreshadow and be an augury of the joys and garlands of Heaven offered by her to those who are devoted to her. This appears clearly if we consider the nature of the Rosary of Our Lady. There is no duty which Christ and His Apostles more emphatically urged by both precept and example than that of prayer and supplication to Almighty God. The Fathers and Doctors in subsequent times have taught that this is a matter of such grave necessity, that if men neglect it they hope in vain for eternal salvation. Every one who prays finds the door open to impetration, both from the very nature of prayer and from the promises of Christ. And we all know that prayer derives its chief efficacy from two principal circumstances: perseverance, and the union of many for one end. The former is signified in those invitations of Christ so full of goodness: ask, seek, knock (Matt. vii., 7), just as a kind father desires to indulge the wishes of his children, but who also requires to be continually asked by them and as it were wearied by their prayers, in order to attach their hearts more closely to himself. The second condition Our Lord has born witness to more than once: If two of you shall consent upon earth concerning anything whatsoever they shall ask, it shall be done to them by My Father who is in heaven. For where there are two or three gathered in My name, there am I in the midst of them (Matt. xviii. 19, 20). Hence that pregnant saying of Tertullian: Let us gather into an assembly and congregation that we may, as it were, make up a band and solicit God (Apologet. c. xxxix): such violence is pleasing to God; and the memorable words of Aquinas: It is impossible that the prayers of many should not be heard, if one prayer is made up as it were out of many supplications. (In Evang. Matt. c. xvii). Both of these qualities are conspicuous in the Rosary. For, to be brief, by repeating the same prayers we strenuously implore from Our Heavenly Father the Kingdom of His grace and glory; we again and again beseech the Virgin Mother to aid us sinners by her prayers, both during our whole life and especially at that last moment which is the stepping-stone to eternity. The formula of the Rosary, too, is excellently adapted to prayer in common, so that it has been styled, not without reason, "The Psalter of Mary." And that old custom of our forefathers ought to be preserved or else restored, according to which Christian families, whether in town or country, were religiously wont at close of day, when their labours were at an end, to assemble before a figure of Our Lady and alternately recite the Rosary. She, delighted at this faithful and unanimous homage, was ever near them like a loving mother surrounded by her children, distributing to them the blessings of domestic peace, the foretaste of the peace of heaven. Considering the efficacy of public prayer, We, among other decrees which we have from time to time issued concerning the Rosary, have spoken thus: "It is Our desire that in the principal church of each diocese it should be recited every day, and in parish churches on every feast-day (Apostolic Letter Salutaris Ille, 24th December, 1883). Let this be constantly and devoutly carried out. We also see with joy the custom extended on other solemn occasions of public devotion and in pilgrimages to venerated shrines, the growing frequency of which is to be commended. This association of prayer and praise to Mary is both delightful and salutary for souls. We ourselves have most strongly experienced this - and Our heart rejoices to recall it - when at certain times in Our Pontificate We have been present in the Vatican basilica, surrounded by great crowds of all classes, who united with Us in mind, voice, and hope, earnestly invoked by the mysteries and prayers of the Rosary, her who is the most powerful patroness of the Catholic name.

 

[Ave Maria]

As an Episcopalian who reveres the Theotokos and the saints, I still disagree with this "Psalter of Mary". It just seems to be on the border of worship and veneration to me. Of course I suppose we should let a Catholic come along and at least make an attempt to explain it before we totally condemn it.

 

[simonthezealot]

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[Kristos]

the new number one?

 

[Kristos]

it's not going backward anymore...

 

[simonthezealot]

Psalms of David compared to Psalters of Mary.
Compare the Psalms of David with the The Psalter of the Blessed Virgin:
http://www.franciscan-sfo.org/ap/bona/PSALTER.htm


15

Preserve me, O Lord, for I have put my trust in thee.

Preserve me, O Lady, for I have hoped in thee:

25
Judge me, O Lord, for I have walked in my innocence:
Judge me, O Lady, for I have departed from my innocence:

53
Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me in thy strength
O Lady, save me in thy name: and deliver me from my injustices.

The name of God is replaced with reference to Mary and the Catholic Church does not condemn this nor even try to distance themselves from those who promote it in fact it is referenced in
FIDENTEM PIUMQUE ANIMUM ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE ROSARY

Below is The Psalters of Mary 148:

Let us praise Our Lady in the heavens: glorify her in the highest.

Praise her, all ye men and beasts: birds of the air, and fishes of the sea.

Praise her, sun and moon: stars, and the orbs of the planets.

Praise her, Cherubim and Seraphim: thrones and dominations and powers.

Praise her, all ye legions of angels: praise her all order of heavenly
dwellers.



While Psalms 148 says:

1 Hallelujah! 1 Praise the LORD from the heavens; give praise in the heights.
2 Praise him, all you angels; give praise, all you hosts.
3 Praise him, sun and moon; give praise, all shining stars.
4 Praise him, highest heavens, you waters above the heavens.
5 Let them all praise the LORD'S name; for the LORD commanded and they were created,

 

[Kristos]

so it's like Cartman went and changed all the "Lords" to "Marys"? Might make a good South Park episode...

 

[simonthezealot]

so it's like Cartman went and changed all the "Lords" to "Marys"? Might make a good South Park episode...

Pretty messed up in my opinion...i used to do a pretty good cartmen immitation, i can't watch that tripe any longer since being born again.