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I'm not sure you even understand what you're saying, much less qualified to opine on their merits.Wont do no good to demonstrate even classification errors, which then would lead to the rest.
How can anyone falsify it, you wont accept anything but the lies because they tell you to believe them. Finches separate species, the lie by DNA testing and what is happening right in front of their noses.
Defining a species
"For example, these happy face spiders look different, but since they can interbreed, they are considered the same species: Theridion grallator."
But then you makes excuses in your own mind to continue to believe the lie. It cant be falsified because you accept no evidence against what your high priests of evolution tell you to believe, even if in contradiction to what they understand is the truth.
I was entertained by a book that even most Christians would see as pious fiction at best and outright heresy at worst.If you are looking for Conan the Barbarian, then look at the reality of this current civilisation you are living in and discern that it is one big LIE. This fictional story has been under your nose the whole time and your looking to a book for your inspiration of fictional characters. If you are looking for fictional characters, look to the fictional characters in the media, in politics, in Hollywood and in your own Australian Greens circles.
Neo, you have been sold a lie all your life and it is High time to make a choice, either you choose the truth of Jesus Christ or the LIE of the world.
More references to science fiction that uses the imagery of religion and spirituality, but is mostly materialistic and atheistic.Either way.....
After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I'm offering is the truth.
I was entertained by a book that even most Christians would see as pious fiction at best and outright heresy at worst.
I believe in things that can be demonstrated, or justified to my satisfaction.
I try to avoid just taking things on faith. I give my trust in proportion to how reliable they have been in the past. I don't worship
I accept the Theory of Evolution, it has evidence and a coherent explanation for reality. While I am dubious of Creationist claims due to a history of logical flaws and outright lies.
More references to science fiction that uses the imagery of religion and spirituality, but is mostly materialistic and atheistic
You have worldly taste for someone so focused on your religion.
No Worries!Hello friend sorry for the delay
Correct my dear.
Trust based on evidence is not exactly the same as trust based without evidence but both hold a firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something. Proven or not.
Trust is the key here friend.
The original substance of my discussion re faith and trust was to show times when faith with out evidence (an appeal to authority) can be acceptable.
Ie mother, child and a hot stove as one instance or 3yr old and power socket.
More about this later on
I disagree.
The definition of Faith noun 1 uses the word trust. Words are used to describe words.
Okay, I'm not going back to reread definitions so if you insist on using your definitions, then Faith without evidence is something I don't do. I require evidence or reasoned logic to have faith ( -_- geez, that feels weird saying I have faith...). I generally don't use the word 'Faith' because of the religious connotation it implies. A majority of people (including Theists of all stripes) generally accept Faith to be the religious form of "Trust without, or in lieu of, Evidence". I still feel this will cause confusion, but whatever.Sorry but this will cause confussion my dear
Again the original substance was to do with faith re noun 1. Google faith meaning
Trust
firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something.
I know it is not easy but i would highly recommend you go back and read all my posts in relation to this discussion.
So to highlight my point, You accepted the position that Christianity is true before you looked at the evidence. He does the same with Islam and the teachings of Mohammed. Both of you make claims of fact based on your respective positions of faith (or as you insist, trust without evidence).You have a friend who uses faith exactly the same way i do, yet we disagree with each other as to which is correct.
Your friend and i accept something. We accept a belief.
Faith (trust, noun 1) is the key to accepting that something exists or is true - religious or non religious. To have a belief one must first trust it is correct, we do not trust in the incorrect?
After you have complete faith in Jesus then you get the proof. Its like eating your dinner before you get dessert
How do you tell the difference between my claim and the claim your friend?
This question of yours leads us to the a discussion highlighting Christianity's claim of Jesus and the claim of Islam re Jesus.
Lets explore some points.
- Christianity predates Islam by 500-600 years.
- Islam claims Jesus as a prophet and not God the Son
- islam borrows stories from gnostic texts.
- islam rejects the trinity.
- islam - cannot have a relationship with God, Christianity you can.
- allah not the true name of God.
- islam influenced by nestorianism, gnostic and possibly aryan religions.
- Quran not accurate re bible stories.
- islam claims re Jesus contradict what Jesus claims of Himself, islam contradicts NT.
Islam also makes a claim that it is the final conclusion to both Judaism and Christianity.
The quranic verse of surah ahzaab tells us that mohammad was the last prophet and messenger sent to mankind.
Mohammad is not a prophet sent from God.
Jesus says
Rev 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Jesus specifically says.
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Matthew 24:11
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Mohammad is a false prophet.
Mat 24:11 is aimed at persons like mohammad. We know their claims are not inspired by God because of what Jesus blatantly says.
I debate muslims as regularly as i debate atheists.Islam cannot have a personal relationship with God or experience God.
I know mohammad to be wrong because i followed the steps of christianiry 101 and got the my personal evidence/proof.
Once you have faith in God the intangible proof is being filled with the Holy Spirit.
I know Jesus to be true because i followed the steps and got the proof. More about this later on
Islam view of Jesus contradicts what Jesus says about Himself. Wanna know more ask as this subject is big.
Do you know anything of confirmation bias as studied in psychology? Are you aware of the scientific literature that demonstrates confirmation bias?My friend iam so delighted in you.Justification. Love it!!! Justification is the action or fact of showing something to be right.
Action - a process - series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end
Fact - is a thing that is known or proved to be true.
Lets compromise friend.
It is a formal or explicit statement, by action or fact, to show an absolute trust in God.
You have discovered the first step to reach God!!!
This is a statement of justification to unbelievers. You take the leap - invisible God -and then you are rewarded with an experience of God and proof He exists.
God is not a thing in the universe so His ways - spiritual - are invisible to us.
So, Again, No! The Child has previous experience! Whether by force of authority or by prior experience, the child is making the decision to obey because it knows there are repercussions! When a child first starts becoming mobile (and may not yet speak), the first thing it has to learn is when the parent says "No!" - it never starts out knowing what "No!" means, you have to teach it, often with a light tap on the wrist - this becomes experience and it eventually knows to obey because of the repercussions - "Trust" with "Evidence" - in this case, that is personal experience of the repercussions.... otherwise it'd be a matter of time before it chews on something it shouldn't, or swallows something that will hurt it, etc.Please excuse me. I was not apart of those conversations. They may have been.
Im using faith noun 1. Not faith noun 2.
Below is the definition for noun 2 which im not using in relation here.
strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
"bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"
Im not discussing faith re religious belief in that context yet. The original susbtance was times when faith (complete trust in something) is acceptable ie an appeal to authority.
Thank you for joining the discussion, I had a purpose for discussing noun 1 (faith= complete trust).
My purpose is to do with trust and faith in something, in this case evolution and atheists.
I was going to show that there seems to be occassions where Evolution is accepted as an appeal to authority.
There seems to be atheists out there who accept evolution on faith. Atheists do not consider this faith to be religious. Hence noun 1.
I want to show that atheists have faith. This is not the same as noun 2, i will be exploring noun 2 towards the end.
I think that there are some atheists out there that accept something with out personally and physically observing it themselves. An appeal.to authority.
These sorts of people accept the thoughts and observations of people who reason with facts.
Im want to show that christians and atheists have one thing in common. They have faith in something.
The example of the stove was to show an appeal to authority amd faith.
The part about a faith based reward ie not be hurt. This example was going to be in relation to christianity
Righto, I don't have a religious outlook, so we can drop 'Spiritual' then... I have plenty of principles and standards though, and I have material things, though my life certainly doesn't revolve around them. I'm well off financially though, not rich by any means, but well off. I spend much of my time and money helping others - I give to Fred Hollows foundation (in honour of an Aussie Eye Doctor who passed away some time ago) and the Red Cross, I support my kids, and step kids wherever possible and generally keep active doing a number of sports and hobbies.My feiend i was asking you if you were a materist.nothing to do with trust. Just asking. Wanna know your position.
Values - principles or standards of behaviour; one's judgement of what is important in life.
Spiritual - relating to religion or religious belief.
Spiritual values - principles or standards re religious belief.
Values link to your 'standard'.
How do you know your experience, message, dream, etc came from God? How do you verify this to yourself, or do you just accept it has to be from God without contest?For me evidence re God would be something that proves he exist. An experience, message, dream, etc
A damascus road experience would do it, I guess? Even a risen Jesus appearing to me would also do it, I'm sure.Have you asked yourself what type of evidence you would consider?
What defining characteristic would exemplify evidence re God?
What would you expect as 'proof' re existance of God?
Please excuse me friend, reasoned!?!
If i may Ill refer you to a statement you made previously my dear.
"if I see a chair work, see other people use a chair, have the operation and purpose of a chair explained to me, how is my use of that chair as prescribed then some kind of Assumption"
Reasoned - based on logic or good sense.
Unless you 'rock' the chair and examine it. You have accepted it as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
An assumption.
What you think?
Because it isn't an assumption, I have first hand experience witnessing the plank and/or chair in operation, even if it is by others and not me. I can touch the chair, I can test it tentatively before I sit on it (i.e., I can check its tensile strength by rocking or shaking it, leaning on it or pushing down on it, etc. Same for the plank across the trench. I have a reasoned position to put tentative trust in the chair and/or plank to do their intended jobs. My tentative trust is not 100% and may change if new data comes in, but I DON'T have to assume they work without ever experiencing these things to at least some degree. An assumption that would be a parallel for your God would be if I was blindfolded (or let's just say Blind from Birth), having never known of a chair let alone what it's used for and how to use it, then having someone I don't know read me a description of a chair and instructions on how to use one (these instructions are from unknown authors, mind you) then being told to take a seat without so much as even knowing it's behind me let alone touching it beforehand...If we follow the course of this particular discussion.
"So, on my experiences with chairs point:"
Bugs - "I go into construction sites all the time. Back to this point though because this is hilarious, if I see a chair work, see other people use a chair, have the operation and purpose of a chair explained to me, how is my use of that chair as prescribed then some kind of Assumption?? Are you trying to tell me that everyone's reality is only real for them? Do we not share this same reality with everyone else??
On my trust in my coworkers:"
Icon - "You have accepted a thing as true or as certain to happen, without first proving it. It worked for someone else so therefore it will work for you. You put trust into seeing someone sit on the chair so therefore it is safe. That is your reasoning.
Nothing wrong here. We all do it."
Bugs - "Great! so now you understand why I don't have "Faith" then."
This above response seems confusing to me and suggests you agree that the plank/chair scenerio is an assumption and not - as you say - reasoned trust?!?
In my case. An experience - an event or occurrence which leaves an impression on someone.
Sure, I don't have a problem being wrong - in fact, I have to be quite open to the idea I could be wrong in order to accept evidence that I am wrong. Otherwise, I'd be locked into thinking I'm right about my worldview in spite of evidence that contradicts it.... Sadly, I see quite a lot of people who can't accept evidence against their worldview on these forums all the time. We call this cognitive dissonance and/or compartmentalisation.What happens if you interpret the facts wrongly?
Reason with wrongly interpreted facts?
Please friend, we are not discussing 'if you know your wrong'.
I qas trying to ask you the what is the result of misconstrued facts?
Again, I don't have Faith - as in "Trust without Evidence" - I have proportioned my belief according to the evidence at hand. What you're doing here is highlighting the very principle I brought up before that nobody can be 100% sure of anything, this is impossible position to have for the reasons I stated earlier.This only took 5mins and yielded these results. Imagine if i had more time.
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You have faith (noun 1) that the right thing is being done. You have faith in the honor system - unless you are trying to poke holes in everything i say and dont mean what you say.
You reply does show that you have faith (noun 1) in the legal system, government and people.
Now i finding out more about you friend.
Yes, I check the plank to make sure it is fine, and Yes, I Do 'rock' the chair. I might be 99% certain, but to say that anything less than 100% certainty is an assumption is just plain crazy. Nobody can be 100% certain of anything and I'll challenge anyone who believes as such. To say you can be 100% certain is to say you know 100% of everything there is to know about at the very least, that thing you claim to be 100% certain of. I'm sure I can ask a question about a thing that would not have a straight forward answer, if an answer is even possible in the first place - therefore you CANNOT be 100% certain of it.Exactly. Its called an assumption.
.a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
Do you check the plank to make sure it is fine. Do you 'rock' the chair?
If you are not 100% certain then what are you?
Not my problem. If God exists and cares, I'm sure the omnipotent creator of the universe could think of something... That said, here's a quick list of things that I would consider evidence towards a God:What method would you use to be 100% sure of God?
"TheScientific Method and an understanding of what evidence is, are paramount to that process, "
How do you prove God through science?
I don't even know his only Son actually existed, let alone that I was so bad he had to die in my place so I could possibly go to heaven... not sure why you invoke a "No True Scotsman" fallacy here either, so please explain this - I quite adequately pointed out that people tend to take on the religion of the society they were born into. Middle easteners tend to be Islamic, Americans tend to be Christians, People born in India tend to be Hindus, far east Asians tend to be Bhuddists, etc. Where is this "No True Scotsman" fallacy?True Scotsman?
Any true God knows
Friend, this is why He sent His only Son, why we have a bible and why ppl like me try. So you might know God!
Like I said, an inanimate object has a measurably comparable success rate as prayers to anything else - that is, chance. Although it was YOU that claimed the success of prayer as a demonstration of the truth of your religion, I just so happen to have the evidence you asked for that demonstrates its equality with a desklamp all the same (i.e. Chance!).The reason I couldnt find it friens is because it doesnt happen. You can appeal to them to stop their malice but you cannot prayer to them to heal a friend, look after ppl in need or judge injustices. It is not the same.
Why would i pray to an inanimate object?
How bout this, Ill throw the ball back to you.You made the charge, you prove it - burden of proof.
As above, quite a number of studies on the efficacy of intercessory prayer have been done for the Judeo-Christian God and results tend to be equivalent to praying to fairies and desklamps.... which is Chance.Watch out this is a presumption and a false argument. This is more so a category error.
Fairies are mythical, therefore so is God. God answers prayers, therefore so do fairies and by extension they must both answer them the same.
And if you have evidence in support of your conjecture, then I would have to listen to you. If your evidence is valid, I'll be forced to change my belief, if not worldview in light of it.This is an appeal. It can go both ways friend.
I could say you have potentially incorrect beliefs that could damage others as well.
No straw man required. Both you and any Muslim (and for that matter, any religious belief one may hold, I'm not narrowing to just these two religions) have exactly the same support, and use exactly the same justifications in 'Faith' based belief. Before you pick up any scripture (because as you admitted, you adopted your belief first, then went looking for justification post-hoc just like my Muslim friend did), what foundation do you have that my friend doesn't? Remember, this is BEFORE you look at any holy texts whatsoever...Got it! You are linking Christianity and islam together.
See post 2 of this reply.
Watch out this line of thought is turning into a strawman arguement. You are misrepresented something to make it easier to attack. I assume you do so because Islam has a bad image right now. ;p
It doesn't matter. In fact, this could be evidence that people using 'Faith' as their justification acted to kill Mormons can affect you as a Christian. In this case, not against you, but in your name as your representative in Christianity!The only way this will work for you is if i agree with the mormon war. I do not friend.
Many ppl have done many things with bad outcomes whether or not they believe them selves to be right, wrong, informed or uniformed.
I wasnt there and know nothing of the mormon war, other that there was one. I do not know if it was unevidenced faith.
...to common sense? Yes, I Agree! You SHOULD CARE whether your beliefs are true, especially about a proposition that governs the universe we all collectively live in together.This is an appeal.
Nope. Are you saying that scientifically founded medical care wouldn't help in any way whatsoever?Do you know much about pancreatic cancer?
I know what sin is, and as soon as I know God is more than an imaginary being made up by people who didn't know anything better, then I will revisit this claim.Sin is diobdeiance to God. We are disobediant.
Atheism is the position on only one question - that is "Are you convinced that a God or Gods exist?" and to that, I have to say no. Rational thinkers and sceptics tentatively accept the thoughts and observations of men who reason with facts, sure, but at any time, I can re-examine those facts for myself and even re-run the experiments if I care to - something I can't do with any God or Gods. This is the difference between a believer of any religion who simply and unquestioningly adopts a position before evidence, and a rational thinker who tests the proposition before adopting it wholesale in the first place."What the data shows is business as usual: that scientists can be biased (not news), and that most scientific theories, in the end, are thrown on the garbage heap." - Dr Sylvia McLain.
Atheism accepts the thoughts and observations of men who reason with facts. Please dont pretend it is not
In no particular order - Multiple Religions professing other Gods, many of which are older than your religion - Multiple versions of your religion - Lost Scriptures - Conflicting texts in the Bible - no confirmed miracles, ever - no evidence of the supernatural - the huge preponderance of evidence that supports an entirely natural universe and life as an emergent property of it.What reasons do you have?
Give me something brother!
the Theory of Evolution, all the various forms of dating (both radioactive and not) that show deep time, a 4.5 billion year old earth in a 13.7 billion year old universe, all the sciences that show a global flood never happened, etc.Can you give me an instance of why the evidence contradicts the existance of God.
Not even a little bit. Read the following carefully, I'll even write slowly so you don't miss it - The Child Listens to the Parent Because IT KNOWS IT WILL BE IN TROUBLE IF IT DOESN"T LISTEN. It has NOTHING to do with "faith without proof" at all because it knows it will be in trouble if it fails to heed.... but I tell you what - if you can find a toddler that can't speak or understand spoken word yet with a propensity to explore the world around it that hasn't been previously conditioned to obey an authority figure first (first time crawlers are Great for this) - here's an experiment to try: find someone the child doesn't recognise as a family figure and have them tell the child (at distance in a non-threatening tone and without threat of punishment) to not play with something it wants to play with. Youtube the video experiment from beginning to end, including the first meeting of an unknown adult. I look forward to seeing this experiment run.This is why you really should read the conversation before jumping in.
You have just showed and agreed to a scenerio where faith without proof is acceptable - an appeal.to authority
Could you have said anything more oxymoronic? I don't think you could. How does one have "experience" if not through prior experiences?? The Child HAS PROOF THAT IT WILL SUFFER THE WRATH OF THE PARENT IF IT DOESN'T OBEY!Yep experience through faith without proof.
If the child knew the stove would burn its hand, it wouldn't reach for it in the first place. What the child Does know is that the parent will punish it if it doesn't do as its parent tells it, so that experience is why the child does as it's told and NOT because it has 'faith' of any sort.Ill refer to something you said.
"A 3 year old doesn't know any better let alone realise the correlation between not touching the stove because a parent said so, and an unburnt hand being a reward for not doing so"
He makes a correlation but doesnt know any better?
How do you reconcile these 2 statements you made?
You only exemplify the problem of 'Faith' with your story. We shouldn't be required to adopt confirmation bias first before addressing the most important question of our existence, especially since the exact same position of 'Faith/Absolute Trust' that leads you to conclude Christianity is true, is used by every other person of other faiths to conclude that their religion is true.I glad we got to here. How do i know there is a God.
I was brought up christian from a very young age. As long as i have 'known', i have 'known' of God.
In order to have a relationship with God, one must first believe he exists and you can get to Him.
I was taught to pray at my first church. You block off everything around you and you focus on the name of Jesus. Prayer is really communication. You focus your heart to God, close your eyes, praise God and Jesus, say His name or even say hello and continue to focus your heart - waiting for a reply or experience.
I experienced joy, peace and a sensation many times when i focussed on God. I felt His presence many times and have interactions. These interactions were like an intuition, someone or something would tell me things in my heart. I knew this to be God, as i was developing a relationship with Him and had faith in what seemed invisible and not physical.
I continued to believe and seek a relationship with God and I was certain. I was baptised at 8-10 and immediately felt like a new person. I stopped swearing - i watched too much tv and thought it was cool - didnt want to steal or be a bad person. I felt new.
It was around 10-11 that i got my big experience.
I was in sunday school, had 'hands laid on me' and the 2 ladies were speaking in tongues and i was praying in deep focus to God.
I was sitting on a chair upright at 10-11am on sunday. I went into a dream like state and found muself soaring through the air. I could feel the wind on my face and could not have made this image up.
When i finally got the courage to look around and see my surroundings i noticed a volcano starting to get closer. On further inspection i realised i was heading straight for the lava.
I started to struggle and became stressed. Just as i was about to hit the point of 'no return' and hit the lava i cried out 'Jesus (help)'. Immediately i was 'caught' in the air and lifted up. I felt the relief and was still slightly stressed.
I was point back in the air - by invisible hands or force field - and continued to soar.
Then the picture suddenly 'flamed' over and i was presented with 3 silhouettes all joined together and overlapping each other. There was fire everywhere, i could hear the sizzle. I stared for what seemed like 10-15 seconds. It was remarkable.
I came to and 'woke up'. The 2 ladies were puzzled and looked worried. They asked me what just happened. I told them what i told you and left sunday school and joined the main congregation. I was changed again and now more so. I got the proof!.
During highschool i was challenged many times on my faith (noun 2). So i went out and read up about other religions. I could find holes left, right and center - wanna know ask.
I read the bible again and could only say amen. The bible made sense to me.
One particular part of the bible shot me in the heart. The wound never healed. My heart will always bleed for Jesus
Jphn 10:14
I am the good shepherd; I know my sheepand my sheep know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.
This passage has context to Jesus talking to the pharisees. The pharisees could not accept Jesus because they were not His sheep and could not hear His 'call'.
This effected me. I was reading the Gospels and i could hear His 'call'.
I gave my self to Jesus as a conscious decision.
My experience started with
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
Then ended with a situation similar to Thomas, I got my proof
John 20:28
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
Thomas got to stick his hands in and feel the wounds. I did not get that same proof, my proof was intangible. My experience was felt!
My faith (noun 1) in Jesus is in bedrock. A followed the mainstream christian formula and have no doubt in Jesus. I can assure you He is real!
What u think friend
Cheers hey. Look forward to your reply
The Theory of Evolution doesn't care about the implications to your religion. It makes no mention of it at all. Anywhere. To the extent anyone uses it to undermine any position, religious or otherwise, it's because it explains the facts about reality. That you don't like it is inconsequential. Perhaps you should find a way to reconcile the facts with your religion, or find a better religion.Social Marxism and social Fascism is both bought and sponsored by school book Darwinism. Since both ideologies required the Darwinistic Theory to destroy the religions of the Gentiles.
The people behind Marxism and Fascism used Darwinism as the vehicle to corrupt the minds of people, by imposing on the young and unsuspecting generations, the make belief fairytale of Evolution, that is more focussed on destroying religion than anything else. The conspirators who want world domination as their forefathers inspired to have back in the first century, needed to kill the gentile gods, so that they can then realise their autocractic vision, under their single dictator, who is prophesied by Christianity to be the final Antichrist figure to come. The so called seventh king.
This time around they will realise their 2000 years in the making Beastly autocratic dictatorship and no doubt they will kill many in the process, like their predecessors did in Facist Germany and Communist Marxist Russia.
However their world domination will be short lived, maybe 3 to 7 years and then they will face the music as they did in the first century. This time around, the gentile God who they sought to make war with, will utterly do away with them, their dreams, their aspirations, their cunningness and their futile futile act.
It is self evident and very sad indeed, that the Evolution Theory is an extremely well funded political weapon against religion, primarily the Christian religion and that is all what its historic purpose was and is no different today. Nothing knew under the Son Jesus Christ.
The tail of the serpent has come to full circle, now we shall see the rise of the beast.
The Theory of Evolution doesn't care about the implications to your religion. It makes no mention of it at all. Anywhere. To the extent anyone uses it to undermine any position, religious or otherwise, it's because it explains the facts about reality. That you don't like it is inconsequential. Perhaps you should find a way to reconcile the facts with your religion, or find a better religion.
Who is saying this, agent xxx from Spectra. It seems an agency of sorts to me. It will fail. Time will tell.
Social Marxism and social Fascism is both bought and sponsored by school book Darwinism. Since both ideologies required the Darwinistic Theory to destroy the religions of the Gentiles.
The people behind Marxism and Fascism used Darwinism as the vehicle to corrupt the minds of people, by imposing on the young and unsuspecting generations, the make belief fairytale of Evolution, that is more focussed on destroying religion than anything else.
Who is saying this, agent xxx from Spectra. It seems an agency of sorts to me. It will fail. Time will tell.
Sigh, have you not learned anything from watching life propagate? We will use dogs, since they clearly show you what you call evolution in a timeframe of a few hundred years instead of million if left to natural occurrences.
We will do this slowly, since repeatedly being shown the truth has failed to sink in.
Husky........mates........with........Husky........and.........produces........only........Husky. Mastiff........mates........with........Mastiff........and........produces........only........Mastif. Only........when........Husky........mates........with.......Mastiff........is........new.........forms........produced. The........Chinook.
Since over 100 breeds of dogs came about from wolf stock, those original wolf genes contained within them all the genetic code necessary for the creation of all the breeds we see today.
Whether you want to admit to it or not, the Husky and Mastiff genome contains within them everything needed to create the Chinook. There was no mutation involved, no evolution.
Now, as to the Asian, you may like to pretend in fantasy land they came about from one evolving into more than one. But like the original wolf, the original human genome contained all the genetic code needed to create every race we see today. There was no mutation involved, no evolution. Learn the lesson dogs teach you and apply it.
Supposition and heresay. Have you seen with your own eyes these minimal mutations cause changes over millions of years? No.
Yes chihuahua's have emerged, from breeding, not mutations, not evolution. Again, what you see in dogs is what you believe evolution to be except in a small time frame due to man bringing them together instead of waiting for famine or geological changes to bring them together. And this is what you wont admit to yourself, even when you admit it is the same process except for timescale, they are all still the exact same species....... Learn the lesson dogs have taught you and apply it.
You have observed the emergence of new subspecies. That you incorrectly classify them as a new species is the error. Just as you refuse to accept those finches are the same species, even if they are interbreeding and producing fertile offspring right in front of the researchers noses. Even if the DNA told them they had always been interbreeding and so were never reproductively isolated and so never underwent speciation. You deny the truth even to yourself. Are you so lost that you cant even face the truth set before your eyes?Do you need people that lie to you to tell you what to think? Learn the lesson dogs have taught you and apply it. Think for yourself.
They know the truth........
Defining a species
"For example, these happy face spiders look different, but since they can interbreed, they are considered the same species: Theridion grallator."
But continue the lie for their own purposes which has nothing to do with science.
Nor does anyone on here that continues the lie when they know the truth, have anything to do with science.
It isn't though. Evolution is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever.
So it's alot like the terminator.
lol! It's been over 150 years already.... Time is not your friend, I fear....
Social Darwinism is not the same thing as Darwinian evolutionary biology, and PLEASE do me a favour and dont conflate the tow.
All I see friend, repeated failed attempt over and over again. It seems the protocols of the learnered Atheistist is not too good in the department of deception. Where is the motto by deception we shall wage war against the Christian.
It isn't though. Evolution is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever.
The Theory of Evolution doesn't care about the implications to your religion. It makes no mention of it at all. Anywhere. To the extent anyone uses it to undermine any position, religious or otherwise, it's because it explains the facts about reality.
So it's alot like the terminator.
It is the cornerstone of Atheism. How can we even question this fact.
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