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. You provide a series of observations. There is no scientific theory evident from those observations. WHY and HOW does that mechanism occur?
How would you explain it if someone put their hand on a stove and didn't get burned?
This is why I have hard time talking to atheists. You guys say you want to interlocute, you say you want "untarnished truth," but when someone then presents it to you, you hedge.
Notice..........I said "few" atheist teachers I have had were that way. But, the ones that I had that were that way......were that way. I'm not relating to you some snippet from a Ripley's museum.
That's right. Scientific theory represents the pinnacle of our understanding of any group of phenomena. It explains the HOW and WHY of those phenomena (facts).
And I'll go one better than your 'burned hand'.
Think about gravity. It's pretty well established that if I drop an object (on earth), it will fall to the ground. Happens every day, every time, right?
You'd think that the theory behind such a common, mundane phenomenon would be simple and cut and dried, right?
But it isn't. Gravitational theory is incomplete. There is still much about that simple action of things falling that we still don't understand. As more evidence is gathered/discovered, the theory will become stronger......perhaps as strong as evolutionary theory one day...
Sure. Ask your friend to show you real evidence for evolution.
Ask for him to take you to any museum and share the evidence of species transitioning from one species to another.
Ask him to show you how kidneys evolved, or the liver or the spleen or the heart and circulatory
system evolved. Ask for the evidence. Ask him to prove it.
In the end he can't.
You know dinosaurs had all the body components - skeleton; muscles, organs, digestive systems;
eyes; brains; spinal cords; etc etc etc - they died out some supposed 65 million years ago and
ruled the world for hundreds of millions of years before.
So if dinosaurs had everything to be complex warm blooded animals and reproduce then just when did
all these necessary body parts evolve to allow for this? and from what?
When you get into the nitty gritty of the how of evolution there is only supposition and hopeful
wishing. Show me the evolution of the eyes and sight: eyeballs that are cameras, rods and cones
that are photographically sensitive to images; optic nerves; brain receptors; turning upside down
images into the right way up. Should be easy to show all the steps involved from light sensitive bacteria
right through to what we can visualize today.
Creation is self evident, evolution is continuing to deliberately deny the truth.
I explained to you what a theory is in the context of science. Please, quit embarrassing yourself and other cdesign proponentsists, and refrain from using this worn out canard.It don't need no stinkin' theory, it's cut and dried, that's one of my points. the reason evolution is just theory is because it's not cut and dried fact. Theory is the only way you can present it/it's all you got, and how dare you call it fact suddenly.
The stove wasn't on?
Would you care to demonstrate?
That so funny! I looked at the one site and guess what I found, supposition and assumptions.
Not one tested verified experiment to show there was a common ancestor. Just the same old tired stuff that says in basic "this has a similarity to this therefore we have a common ancestor.". It's all a bunch of assumption wrapped in supposition. No one has observed or tested that one thing evolves into something else.
Before you go all nuts and point to how a lizard changed on an island from one species of lizard into another species of lizard and that proves evolution, let me remind you that I already agreed that can happen. ...What we don't see is a creature turning into something it wasn't in the first place.
One type of creature can adapt and change due to it's environment in order to survive. That's God's magnificent way to keep life going.
Nope and you can't prove evolution from a common ancestor is either.
So I guess we both have the same issue.
Very difficult, because practically all people have been brainwashed for decades into believing that evolution:
a] is a scientific theory
b] is supported by lots and lots of evidence
c] is not just a naturalistic belief.
d] is something everybody with enough knowledge subscribes to
e] has no serious scientific gaps and problems.
f] etcetera.....
So, good luck with trying to make that person realise that it is in fact:
a] a naturalistic belief
b] a presupposition that was decided upon long ago
c] an outrageous claim that demands strong evidence, and not just people shouting there is so much evidence.
e] a feeble attempt to explain the mind blowing complexity and genius we find in living nature and in the premises for life to be sustained
f] a lot of stuff proudly proclaimed as proof is ambiguous or fabricated.
g] popular science is a travesty of proper science.
h] etcetera...
Good luck.
LOL!in science you only need one scientist with one counter evidence. and we indeed have such evidence.
I have yet to see any actual evidence. All I see is speculation and assumption. That's my point. When you actually come up with a testing process that shows something turning into something from a common ancestor let me know. All your "evidence" is assumption and speculation. None of it is verifiable or testable or observable. It's not real science.And I am sorry to tell you that using magic words like "assumptions" and "speculations" to try and poof away the evidence in a cloud of smoke doesn't work. The evidence remains and remains unaddressed.
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This crime against semantics is laughable.
the design model actually make several predictions. one of them is to find evidence for design.
Yes i have.Ever seen the documentary "Jesus Camp"?
Once again you are incorrect. I work in a field where we work with evidence all the time. I'm not seeing any real evidence in evolution. I see speculation and I see a lot of assumptions but I don't see any real evidence. Why? Because it can't be observed tested or reproduced. Therefore it is guesswork. A belief.Once again you demonstrate that you do not understand the concept of evidence.
Why didn't you say so before! I am totally going to adopt your belief system, because I don't want the Righteous to consider me to be a blind fool...What a load of bunk.
Everything declares the creation. It is self evident and marvellous except to the blind and fools.
Funny you say that - I took a creative writing class at a community college many many years ago, and an older woman was in the class. We had weekly assignments to write something, and then to read it to the class for discussion the next week. This older woman's work, every week, was some religious platitude. In one of her poems, she told a tale of walking in the woods with her granddaughter, who asked her where Jesus was. Her answer was to point out all the things they could see- the trees, the leaves, the ground, etc. - and to tell her poor little granddaughter that Jesus was in all those things for he had created it all...."Look.....the trees!" is not evidence....
but the creation model explain it too by a fusion event in the human lineage. so this isnt evidence for a common descent with chimp.
I have yet to see any actual evidence. All I see is speculation and assumption.
Once again you are incorrect. I work in a field where we work with evidence all the time. I'm not seeing any real evidence in evolution. I see speculation and I see a lot of assumptions but I don't see any real evidence. Why? Because it can't be observed tested or reproduced. Therefore it is guesswork. A belief.
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