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What is standard for racist? Birther Movement is racist to many. But what you require?

I'm open to that charge, but you would have to logically demonstrate why challenging Obama's citizenship per se is racism.

Trump say Nazi and KKK side have some "very fine people" make it very clear what Trump think of races. Trump did say - 5:45 Minutes


Trump said that there were bad people on both sides and very fine people on both sides. More than just white supremacists and hate groups were protesting the removal of the monument, you know.
 
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Argument is done. By definition Trump is racist. copy of post #69 -

Make simple. From google:

rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/
noun
  1. 1.
    a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Is many cases given of Trump show discrimination in thread. Trump is racist. Is proven so many time is called "Gish Gallop"! Whole business council quit from Trump comment!

EDIT: Now whole 35 years old Arts and Humanities Council quit from Trump racism! Read statement.
 
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You do realise that many of his own words are via videos of him speaking them...?
 
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More than just white supremacists and hate groups were protesting the removal of the monument, you know.

Yes, we've seen Trump and some of his supporters make that claim. Yet, no one seems able to identify any of these "fine people" at that rally...where are they please...?
 
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Yes, we've seen Trump and some of his supporters make that claim. Yet, no one seems able to identify any of these "fine people" at that rally...where are they please...?

Because like usual Trump was lying, he barely has an understanding of U.S. history and thinks George Washington is like Robert E Lee.
 
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Yes, we've seen Trump and some of his supporters make that claim. Yet, no one seems able to identify any of these "fine people" at that rally...where are they please...?

I don't know. Simple Google searches don't seem to turn up much information. Anyone able to either confirm or debunk this?
 
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I don't know. Simple Google searches don't seem to turn up much information. Anyone able to either confirm or debunk this?
Confirm Nazis and KKK and White Supremacist side have some "very fine people"? Google not give information?

That happen when google for "very fine peoples who are Nazi KKK also". Results - 0 hits.
 
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You do realise that many of his own words are via videos of him speaking them...?


Kellyanne already told us: You can't go by what he says, you have to go by what he means, in his heart.

The bible teaches us that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. All he spews is trash but we are expected to believe he is a good man.
 
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I don't know. Simple Google searches don't seem to turn up much information. Anyone able to either confirm or debunk this?

It came from Trump's mouth....ergo, there's a 70% likelihood that it has debunked itself...
 
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Yeah I dunno. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anything of much substance here.
 
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Not Gish Gallop. Gish Gallop is for debate. At debate not time to respond to all point. Here all time you need to respond. So?

Is accurate list. Think some not like accurate list when so much facts.

Logical fallacies can be committed any time. No formal setting is needed.
 
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This is probably some sort of logical fallacy.

No, it's some form of statistical probability...!

You may be unaware, but multiple fact check exercises have indicated that more than 70% of Trump's statements are either lies or incompetent ignorance.
 
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Let's pick one of these and analyze it. Which do you think is particularly indicting?
 
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Inductive conclusions based on patterns in the preponderance of evidence aren't fallacies. It is how we learn things about reality in general.

"X is false" does not logically follow from "unreliable source said X".
 
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