Extraneous
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No, it was relevant to what we were discussing. Answer the question, that would helpful. Im not following your link, i would prefer that you answer it yourself.
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Moving the goal posts again, I see.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB130.html
No, it was relevant to what we were discussing. Answer the question, that would helpful. Im not following your link, i would prefer that you answer it yourself.
I did but you didn't acknowledge it. They dont understand DNA fully, yet they use it as evidence, thats one example.
I'm going to quote something you said in post #275:
That right there is you stating an argument from incredulity. You are saying that because life is 'complex' (someone on the non-evolution side has yet to actually define complexity as they use it), then it must be wrong.
Yes, you moved the goal posts. We were discussing the human genome project. You hand waved it away and went to another PRATT (Previously refuted a thousand times) argument with junk DNA and claimed it means geneticists have no idea what they're talking about. Would you accept a DNA test that demonstrates who your father and mother are but won't accept what DNA concludes about common ancestry with other species?
As far as junk DNA, it's not really junk. Functions have been found in DNA that was once thought to be junk. You can state that we don't know everything about DNA but you cannot say because we don't know everything, then it's wrong and it's just assumptions.
However, you can see that the second combination is SPECIFIED and that it communicates information. You can understand the message being communicated, and it causes you to take action, if it were true.
Except that they DO understand DNA. They've sequenced entire genomes!
What if I can't read English? What if, for example, I was from an alien species, and I've never even seen the alphabet before. Does it cease to convey information?
Define "information", as you clearly seem to mean something other than the computer science definition.
I didnt say they have no idea, i only said their understanding is not complete. What do they have then as far as evidence? Human's and other apes share some DNA. Ok, that's not surprising to me. Everything shares DNA. God made Humans and other apes similar. So what?
They watched bacteria mutate in the lab. Again, thats not surprising.
They found a couple fossils which are hardly conclusive.
If there is something else then explain it to me, i'll listen.
Nope. Your house still burns down.
I didnt say they have no idea, i only said their understanding is not complete.
What do they have then as far as evidence? Human's and other apes share some DNA.
They watched bacteria mutate in the lab. Again, thats not surprising.
They found a couple fossils which are hardly conclusive.
If there is something else then explain it to me, i'll listen.
- Retroviruses replicate by invading the cells of host organisms, converting their RNA genomes into DNA, and inserting (integrating, in the jargon) the DNA into the DNA of the host cell. The host cell then "reads" the viral DNA, resulting in the production of more viruses.
- Retroviruses tend to target certain types of cells. Their "environment" proteins tend to be specialized to attach to the surfaces of these cells.
- The insertion is made by a retroviral enzyme called integrase. While certain retroviruses can show a general tendency to insert their DNA in certain types of regions of the host genome, they do not target specific points (loci).
- We find, in the genomes of creatures such as ourselves and chimpanzees, inherited structures that appear to be broken retroviral insertions. Some are more complete than others, but many have the full set of genes that would be necessary for a complete retrovirus, were they not faulty. We call these structures endogenous retroviruses (ERVs). They appear in the exact same spots in the DNA of every cell.
- Although certain components of some ERVs perform functions in the host, one or two even being essential in some species, design, as an explanation for ERVs, does not make any sense. A designer would have no need to include specifically retroviral genes in its designs, which now do nothing, or can even cause harm. There would also be no need to design in non-functional traces of the action of integrase, traces of which are present in ERVs.
- The only explanation that makes any sense is that ERVs are the result of retroviral insertions into germ-line DNA - egg cells or sperm cells, followed by reproduction and consequent cell division. Cell division will duplicate the ERVs in the same positions in the DNA of every cell. Separate, parallel infection would not infect every cell, and the ERVs would end up in different locations, comparing one infected cell with another.
- All human beings have some 200,000+ ERV and ERV fragments in the DNA of every one of their cells. Most of them are in identical DNA locations going from cell to cell, and person to person. This means that we all share common ancestors - the ancestors that first acquired each of the the germ-line retroviral infections.
- All human beings and chimpanzees have some 200,000+ ERV and ERV fragments in the DNA of every one of their cells. Most of them are in precisely corresponding DNA locations going from cell to cell, and individual to individual. This means that we all share common ancestors - the ancestors that first acquired each of the the germ-line retroviral infections. See http://www.evolutionarymodel.com/ervs.htm#Amount_of_Shared_ERVs
So, you realise that humans are apes, can you admit that you where wrong before?
I really wish, more Americans appreciated the importance of understanding it in the Hebrew, or at least being able to read someone who does. Then they might have a clue how to approach Genesis.
what is conveyed or represented by a particular arrangement or sequence of things.
"genetically transmitted information"
I'm a theistic whateverist... meaning that I'm open to evolution, punctuated or Darwinian or whatever. It doesn't matter. God made the world through that 'whatever' and Genesis 1 is a thankful poetic theological narrative, not an engineering manual. I wish, I really wish, more Americans appreciated the importance of understanding it in the Hebrew, or at least being able to read someone who does. Then they might have a clue how to approach Genesis.
Then I refer you to this thread. You completely miss the point of what "information" means.
Irrelevant.
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