Protestants-biblically prove ONE Mediator

myhopeisfound said:

I don't think any Protestant would dispute the communion of the saints(atleast not this one).

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Understood. Then as members consider....

1cor12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now they are many members, but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, I have no need of thee: or again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

And....The following call does not end for a member that enters heaven.

1tim1:1 I exhort therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, thanksgivings, be made for all men;

As is seen in rev 6:9-10 & mat19:28/rev4:4/rev5:8
(And 2macc15:12-16)

What I am disputing is that idea of saints in heaven and angels hearing my prayers. What the RCC is doing is giving the saints, Mary and the angels a Godly attribute. They are not omniscient.

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i believe omniscient refers to all knowing, why is this inferred ? was john omniscient in Rev 5:13 When he heard all creatures in heaven and earth? Was the angel omniscient in dan10:12 or tob12:12(rev8:3)
No, but God allowed them to hear
See 1cor6:3

That attribute belongs ONLY to God.

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agree, it is not claimed for the Saints

When I die and go to heaven(YES! I am certain/assured of my salvation ) I will not "become God".

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sure but you will be in Him and He in you, right?

That was the great lie in the garden. Genesis 3:5- "For God knows that you will eat of it and your eyes will be oKepened, and you will be like God..." This is from the Roman Catholic Catechism/460-

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The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."1

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see John 10:30-38 and gen1:26-27
Not sure what you are trying to imply here, obviously the catechism is not saying Saints are equal to God in His Glory /power.

The verses the RCC are using never once say that the saints, Mary or the angels are HEARING the prayers being offered and to assume that would be reading into the passage something that is not there, but COULD BE a POSSIBILITY. It is a possibilty that it could be that the saints are hearing the prayers and offering them to God for us. But to argue that way would allow for endless possibilities.

If my mailman did not deliever my mail, I could believe that he stole it. I could believe he skipped my mailbox. I could believe anything, but until I search out my mailman and ask HIM, I can't assume just anything is truth. I can't assume what COULD BE a POSSIBILTY. SOOOO...I've searched God's Word and I have never found any verses telling me to pray to Mary or any other saint as an intercessor. I've never found any verses telling me to pray to an angel as an intercessor. I've ONLY found verses telling me to pray to the Father through Christ my Savior, the ONE Mediator.

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their intercession does not bypass jesus, it cant, there is only one mediator.

I've ONLY found verses directed to saints on earth to pray for saints on earth. So that's what I'm going to do, what is there. In print. I'm not going to do what COULD BE a POSSIBILTY.

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understood. Though there is a Church with shepherds that helped compile that print together guided by the Holy spirit [bless and do not curse]and they practiced seeking intercession from the Saints. But accept you won't put much weight in that.

[bless and do not curse]
When the Bible was compiled by the council directed by the Holy Spirit, when it was called "canon" (rule, measuring rod), they did not include any documents or letters telling me to pray to Mary, saints, angels...therefore, I don't look at any extra documnents as Scripture or as having authority over my beliefs.

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apart of course from the council / bishops that you place at least some trust in to be a conduit of the holy spirit

Christ taught me to pray. The apostles encourage me to pray in the Books they have written through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Praying TO saints, Mary, and angels is COMPLETELY absent from Christs prayers AND the apostles and OT prophets, as well.

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intercession/involvement is clear in rev5:8 and Matt 19:28 rev6:9-10
Hearing is clearly shown in rev5:13 and dan10:12,tob12:12 and I also say in rev5:8 as prayers are not physical things.
See 2macc 15:12-17
This book was endorsed by those bishops. But some trust other conduits of the holy spirit for their views about this book.
As with tobit12:12

Anyway thanks for replying

Speaking as a non-Catholic, and as one who doesn't have time to read through 13 pages of the thread, it seems to me like this: when you're sick or going through a hard time, you ask your friends, family, etc. to pray for you, right? So in line with the Catholic belief that the saints are alive in Christ, in spirit, then it's no different than asking your friends, family, etc. to pray for you. You're just asking someone who isn't physically present. We've all had loved ones who die, and sometimes we find ourselves talking to him/her. How is that different?

Chadwickboy said:

Speaking as a non-Catholic, and as one who doesn't have time to read through 13 pages of the thread, it seems to me like this: when you're sick or going through a hard time, you ask your friends, family, etc. to pray for you, right? So in line with the Catholic belief that the saints are alive in Christ, in spirit, then it's no different than asking your friends, family, etc. to pray for you. You're just asking someone who isn't physically present. We've all had loved ones who die, and sometimes we find ourselves talking to him/her. How is that different?

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B/c as a Protestant who I assume believes in the Bible as your authority, where in Scripture can you show me that this is okay and that your loved one in Heaven can hear/see/pray for you?

(Just for the records sake, I don't talk to my deceased family...)

myhopeisfound said:

B/c as a Protestant who I assume believes in the Bible as your authority, where in Scripture can you show me that this is okay and that your loved one in Heaven can hear/see/pray for you?

(Just for the records sake, I don't talk to my deceased family...)

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Even when they first passed, you didn't from time to time? Even passing their picture on days you may be depressed?

Also, I'm what is known as a LIBERAL Christian. I don't take the whole Bible literally. I hold it in regard, but it is not my *sole* authority. I also believe in trusting my own gut instinct, and respecting other beliefs.

Chadwickboy;59404364]Even when they first passed, you didn't from time to time? Even passing their picture on days you may be depressed?

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No, I can honestly say I have not done that. I would think about the person quite a bit and have very fond memories, but as far as talking TO the person, no...even if I did pass a picture or something like that. I found myself talking to God a lot about the person, but that's pretty much were it ended.

Also, I'm what is known as a LIBERAL Christian. I don't take the whole Bible literally. I hold it in regard, but it is not my *sole* authority. I also believe in trusting my own gut instinct, and respecting other beliefs.

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Ok, I'm definately with you on respecting others. Just one question, I guess. Where does your "gut instinct" come from? You? Or do you believe you are guided by the Holy Spirit? It's a small question and you may answer it briefly. I won't make this into a new thread or anything...