Protection in the Judgment

[Kokavkrystallos]

"Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." - Isaiah 26:20 - 27:1

Yahweh will come in judgement. That is very clear from this passage. But to His people He offers protection. That is also very clear from the first verse. When the indignation be over past, those who are His elect shall come forth from the place whence they have been hidden.

This may well be the meaning of Luke 21:36, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." But can we safely say this means the rapture, and that we will be taken up as 1 Thessalonians 4 declares?

We do have Revelation 12:14-17,
"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Some say this woman is Israel, some say the church, some say both, and some say it's Mary. It has a threefold meaning, in that Mary who is a daughter of Israel brings forth a man child, who is Jesus. But from there on it is Israel specifically, and by extension the body of Christ, "the remnant of her seed" who are blessed with faithful Abraham, "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:21) Point I'd like to bring out here is that these are all protected upon earth, ie: "and the earth helped the woman," and it does not indicate a snatching away here at this point.

Now when the verse says the earth shall no more cover her slain, we see this also in Revelation 14:19-20, "And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs."

And in 19:17-21,
"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."

In Isaiah 27:1 we see the LORD has a sore, and great, and strong sword, with which He punishes the serpent that is in the sea. Here I believe He is speaking not of a sea monster or physical reptilian creature, but of the great dragon, the same as is mentioned in Revelation 12:9, "the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

That word for sore there means hard, severe, fierce; and it is also a great sword, and a strong sword. We see Jesus in Revelation 19:15, "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

With this sword Jesus Christ, who is the fullness of Yahweh, shall smite the serpent, the old serpent, the devil; and He shall smite the nations, and then, " many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." (Daniel 12:2-3)

 

[Dan Perez]

"Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." - Isaiah 26:20 - 27:1

Yahweh will come in judgement. That is very clear from this passage. But to His people He offers protection. That is also very clear from the first verse. When the indignation be over past, those who are His elect shall come forth from the place whence they have been hidden.

This may well be the meaning of Luke 21:36, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." But can we safely say this means the rapture, and that we will be taken up as 1 Thessalonians 4 declares?

We do have Revelation 12:14-17,
"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Some say this woman is Israel, some say the church, some say both, and some say it's Mary. It has a threefold meaning, in that Mary who is a daughter of Israel brings forth a man child, who is Jesus. But from there on it is Israel specifically, and by extension the body of Christ, "the remnant of her seed" who are blessed with faithful Abraham, "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:21) Point I'd like to bring out here is that these are all protected upon earth, ie: "and the earth helped the woman," and it does not indicate a snatching away here at this point.

Now when the verse says the earth shall no more cover her slain, we see this also in Revelation 14:19-20, "And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs."

And in 19:17-21,
"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."

In Isaiah 27:1 we see the LORD has a sore, and great, and strong sword, with which He punishes the serpent that is in the sea. Here I believe He is speaking not of a sea monster or physical reptilian creature, but of the great dragon, the same as is mentioned in Revelation 12:9, "the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

That word for sore there means hard, severe, fierce; and it is also a great sword, and a strong sword. We see Jesus in Revelation 19:15, "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

With this sword Jesus Christ, who is the fullness of Yahweh, shall smite the serpent, the old serpent, the devil; and He shall smite the nations, and then, " many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." (Daniel 12:2-3)

And I will only comment on 2 passages .

One is Luke 21:36 where you say it is the RAPTURE , but there is NO Greek word for RAPTURE in the Greek text .

And Christ is coming back for us and In use 1 Thess 4:17 CAUGHT AWAY // HARPAZO , which is in FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the PLURAL .

And there v are 3 more verses for Christ COMING BACK for the BODY of Christ .

And some of your texts only speak to Israel , like the books of DANIEL and Revelation .

dan p

 

[eleos1954]

"Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." - Isaiah 26:20 - 27:1

Yahweh will come in judgement. That is very clear from this passage. But to His people He offers protection. That is also very clear from the first verse. When the indignation be over past, those who are His elect shall come forth from the place whence they have been hidden.

This may well be the meaning of Luke 21:36, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." But can we safely say this means the rapture, and that we will be taken up as 1 Thessalonians 4 declares?

We do have Revelation 12:14-17,
"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Some say this woman is Israel, some say the church, some say both, and some say it's Mary. It has a threefold meaning, in that Mary who is a daughter of Israel brings forth a man child, who is Jesus. But from there on it is Israel specifically, and by extension the body of Christ, "the remnant of her seed" who are blessed with faithful Abraham, "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:21) Point I'd like to bring out here is that these are all protected upon earth, ie: "and the earth helped the woman," and it does not indicate a snatching away here at this point.

Now when the verse says the earth shall no more cover her slain, we see this also in Revelation 14:19-20, "And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs."

And in 19:17-21,
"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."

In Isaiah 27:1 we see the LORD has a sore, and great, and strong sword, with which He punishes the serpent that is in the sea. Here I believe He is speaking not of a sea monster or physical reptilian creature, but of the great dragon, the same as is mentioned in Revelation 12:9, "the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

That word for sore there means hard, severe, fierce; and it is also a great sword, and a strong sword. We see Jesus in Revelation 19:15, "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

With this sword Jesus Christ, who is the fullness of Yahweh, shall smite the serpent, the old serpent, the devil; and He shall smite the nations, and then, " many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." (Daniel 12:2-3)

Judgement takes place BEFORE the return of Christ ... that's when the 1st resurrection happens (of the saved) and are taken to heaven .... those will not experience the 2nd judgement ... of which happens 1,000 years later.

When Jesus first came to earth (in the form of man) people were able to physically be in His presence because of his "man form" (veiled so to speak). When He returns this next time He returns in full glory ... human yet fully glorified.

John 13:31-32

So, when he had gone out, Jesus said, "Now the Son of Man is glorified, and God is glorified in Him.

Great destruction happens when He returns ...

2 Thessalonians 2:8

King James Bible
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (glorified)

2 Peter 3:10 ESV​

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

Nothing living on the earth can survive this.

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

And I will only comment on 2 passages .

One is Luke 21:36 where you say it is the RAPTURE , but there is NO Greek word for RAPTURE in the Greek text .

And Christ is coming back for us and In use 1 Thess 4:17 CAUGHT AWAY // HARPAZO , which is in FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the PLURAL .

And there v are 3 more verses for Christ COMING BACK for the BODY of Christ .

And some of your texts only speak to Israel , like the books of DANIEL and Revelation .

dan p

No, You're right Harpazo does not appear in Luke 21, I was simply saying there are some that teach that means by the rapture we shall escape the things mentioned.

Israel and by extension the Church, possibly in Revelation 12, but for Daniel 12 it is referring to the resurrection (s) which happen in the order eleos1954 stated: first the resurrection of the just or the righteous who are ordained to everlasting life, and are purchased with Christ's blood, and then the 2nd resurrection of which we want no part of, for these are to everlasting contempt and are cast into the lake of fire.