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Why atheist come to christian sites is beyod me.
OK thanks @Darkhorse . Though of course, you are, I'm sure, aware that the efficacy is a low percentage. I've tried to find data but around 0.9 percent seems to be the figure. So - In 2018 where the USA had over 60 000 gun-related deaths, possibly about 1000 lives were saved. But hey I'll accept the research is difficult on this one.
For us Australians, we look at your country and evaluate what believe the cost-benefit it is. We've made a decision that the cost outweighs any perceived benefit and it works for us both practically and culturally.
Well - aside from the conspiracy you like - His prosecution included eyewitnesses, and testimony from forensic scientists, hundreds of exhibits, his initial confession, police reports, psychologist reports, photographic evidence - and yes - it amounted to hundreds. As per the Australian system of justice, he was given a trial and found guilty.ANOTHER LIE! there were not HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THERE!!!!! Read my posts stop lying.
What do I want, NOTHING! All I am saying is SELF DEFENCE IS GOD ORDAINED! I have posted Scriptures showing this. Atheists don't believe in God so why would they support what He says. And to quote scriptures to me, shows just how stupid your argument is.
SELF DEFENCE IS GOD ORDAINED!
Changed your profile now have you to cover your tracks You have gone from LYING ATHEIST to honest SEEKER now have you!!.
You were an Atheist and MARRIED, now your a SEEKER, and SINGLE??
Interesting! O'h yes and you accuse me of lying?
My or anyone's else's spiritual journey isn't the topic. Calm now. This is not an honourable thing to do.Your the one in hiding, not me, atheist now seeker.
You are arguing the fact and you have no credible information. Read this again if you dare and answer these questions honestly.
Nov 15, 2015 — Please Look Again at The Port Arthur Massacre
29 APPARENT ANOMALIES NEED ADDRESSING OF THE PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE, TASMANIA, AUSTRALIA 1996
for those unfamiliar with the event.
The story goes… 28th April 1996. Martin Bryant* went into a café with a couple of semi automatic rifles, and open fired on the patrons, killing over 20 people and then moving around the Port Arthur Historic Penal Colony Tourist Site - killing another ten or more, then moved to another site where he was holding hostages and murdered two more before police smoked him out of the burning house the next morning with 3rd degree burns.
*or someone with blonde wig and driving his car with his passport on the dashboard
What doesn’t add up and what multiplies complicity??
1-Tasmanian Government purchases a 16 - 22 body hearse in the year leading up to the ‘event
2- three strange predictions were publicised in the media. The first -
‘There is reason to think the Port Arthur massacre was planned as early as1987 when, after a specially called Premier's meeting in Hobart in December 1987, the New South Wales Labour Premier, Mr. Barry Unsworth stated, "there would be no effective gun control in Australia until there was a massacre in Tasmania".
Plus - TWO warnings from Roland Browne head of NCGC gun control lobby in the 12 months leading up, about a massacre in Tasmania
In Nov 1995 Browne warned there would be a massacre in Tasmania of massive proportions. In March 96, after the Dunblane massacre he said the same again on A Current affair with Ray Martin.
Predictive program
3-local police were called off an hour in the opposite direction at the time of the massacre to a heroin stash which turned out to be jars of laundry powder
4- Bryant has no memory of being at Port Arthur that day of the massacre, yet was coerced to plead guilty 5-“satanically accurate” shooting performance equal to the best military trained known killers said Brigadier Ted Saron 6-ratio of kill to wound shots astounds professional shoot 7-there is no DNA evidence at all from Bryant found at the Broad Arrow Café
8-no blood spatters or DNA evidence taken from Bryants’ clothes, or his vehicle
9-not one witness positively identified Bryant on the day, only TWO WITNESSES identified him one month later on a photo board after his face had been all over the media
10- Bryant was named as the lone gun-nut shooter and his ‘personality defects’ discussed on Good Morning America, within 24 hours of the evening news
see here …
Note how even Bryant Gumbel, the US morning news anchor notes the way the Aus media are speaking about the killer as if he has already had a trial the day after the massacre... to an international audience, on a show that also airs on an Australian network.
11-Bryant refused to plead guilty for nearly 6 months, until they changed his lawyer and after 14 or more visits, his new, improved lawyer John Avery got him to plead guilty, with the help of his pressured mother
12-John Avery is now in jail on unrelated charges
13--Political wrangling before the event from 1995 onwards-
*Police Officer closest to Port Arthur, Constable Chris Iles was moved to another station after 15 years, replaced by Constable Paul Hyland.
*Ian Kingston manager of the areas state emergency service since 1984 took a part time job as security manager and parking attendant at Port Arthur site.
*In March 96 a month before the ‘EVENT’, Tasmanian Premier Ray Groom ‘stepped down’ from the premier role to take on a number of different portfolios which all had to do with the P.A.M., including Attorney-General and Minister of Port Arthur.
*The Special Operations Group got a new leader, Hank Timmermann ten days before the massacre. Were these moves to put people ‘on the team’ into position
14-Martin Bryant’s IQ was so low (66-70) that it was considered he always needed a legal guardian, one was not there when he agreed to the guilty plea
15- less than 6 months before the massacre P.T.S.D. (ompensation act in Tasmania)
16-Coincidentally, there was a Trauma surgeon conference in Hobart that macabre weekend
17-Coincidentally, there was a World Media conference in Hobart that sensational weekend
18- Many Port Arthur Mgt Staff were called away to an ‘Off Site’ workshop, in another town, at the exact time of the massacre
19-same Media Liason Officers for this ‘EVENT’ as the ’78 Sydney Hilton Bombing
20-police chief Jonson goes AWOL after the shooting never to be heard from again
21-Joe Vialls, (Conspiracy researcher/disinfo artist/ spook?) Hans Overbeeke, Justin Noble (BCI) present in film footage on the day of the ‘event’.???
22-police lit seascape lodge on fire with a flare? Then insinuated it was Bryant…
23-in ph calls Martin refers to himself as “Jamie” possibly signifying Disassociative Identity or Multiple personality Disorder
24-Martins “treatment” by Tavistock Institute trained psychiatrists since at least 1984 – that’s 12 years to prepare him, specialising in deep sleep, drug and coma therapy, including electroshock therapy, whilst unconscious, mind control Manchurian candidate techniques could have been employed here by these ‘special effects
25- Both the murder weapons were damaged before they were recovered at seascape, and thus were never forensically linked to the murders.
26- In Australia a coronial inquest is usually held for any death not accompanied by a doctor's certificate. Coroner Ian Matterson determined that no inquest would be held into any of the 35 deaths following the guilty plea from Bryant. Despite repeated requests from some victims (see Coroners’ letter to Stephen Howard in relation to his wifes murder in the film, ‘A QUESTION OF GUILT)
27- Why did Bryant's lawyer - John Avery - convince his client to plead guilty when he knew Bryant had no memory of the crimes, and while Bryant had maintained his innocence for months?
28- Who is "Rick"? And why does Bryant mention him several times while talking to the police negotiator? Bryant (as “Jamie” )seems to know Ricks’ wife, he knows where Rick resides
29-Andrew MacGregor, retired policemen gives a quite funny account of what all the coppers, the military, and the SOG’s (special Op.s Group ) were doing for 5 hours while 500 locals and tourists were terrorised beyond living hell at the unsecured murder sites.
Port Arthur massacre Police training video
WARNING: THIS VIDEO CONTAINS THE POLICE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF MORE THAN 20 DECEASED VICTIMS, (men women and children) OF THE PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE IN THE BROAD ARROW CAFE.
IT IS SHOCKINGLY GRAPHIC.
PLEASE TURN IT OFF IF IT CAUSES DISTRESS.
THIS VIDEO IS IMPORTANT EVIDENCE TO BRING FORTH AN ENQUIRY SO WE CAN STOP SWEEPING THIS EVENT UNDER THIS CARPET OF LIES.
PLEASE DO NOT WATCH IT IF YOU ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE EVENT OR IF DEATH DISTURBS YOU. IT WILL UPSET YOU, AND IF IT DOES, PLEASE DO NOT COMPLAIN TO ME. COMPLAIN TO YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILIES ABOUT FALSE FLAG PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS AND WITHDRAW YOUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE GOVERNMENTS.
We no longer need to hide, ‘they’, those involved and responsible, are the ones that should go into hiding.
Alternatively write to your local member but KNOW they can’t change anything and still hope to get ahead in politics.
This video turned up in a 2nd hand shop in 2004, and it is profound in giving the picture of the crime.
Despite the torturous lives the living victims must have suffered since then, we must resolve to bring the light to the evidence so these false flag events are stopped.
Phew.
Then all we’ll have left to deal with is ‘real’ terrorists.
A QUESTION OF GUILT : PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE
Still Think Bryant Is Guilty? OK, Answer These Questions
September 2, 2019
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(L) Martin Bryant (C) Justice Cox (R) Premier Ray Groom
by Malcolm R Hughes
Barry Unsworth
How did Barry Unsworth come to make the prediction in December 1987 that, “there would never be uniform gun laws, until there had been a massacre in Tasmania?” Why Tasmania?
Why did Ray Groom sacrifice a ministerial position in Federal Parliament to take up a Tasmanian Parliamentary career about the time of the above statement by Unsworth?
Why did Ray Groom step down as Premier of Tasmania in 1996, but still retain several ministerial portfolios concerning the up-coming massacre?
Why did the Tasmania Government buy the Broad Arrow Cafe when all governments, State and Federal were privatising other ventures?
Why did the Tasmanian Government ask a Hobart funeral business to tender for a 22-berth freezer mortuary truck in the 12 months before the massacre when no other state had such a vehicle?
Why after the massacre was there an attempt to sell this truck, seeing as its use was so successful?
Why did the aforementioned funeral business buy mortuary boxes to handle the corpses in excess of 22, from a Victorian company, in time for the massacre?
How is it that Tasmanian Police Commissioner Richard McCreadie had Martin Bryant’s file before the gunman had been identified as “Martin Bryant”?
Broad Arrow Cafe
Why were there possibly as many as 30 intelligence agents present at Port Arthur that weekend?
Why were seven of those intelligence agents killed that day (two shot in the Broad Arrow Cafe and five at the scene where the killer exchanged the Volvo for the BMW)?
As the gunman was never reported as wearing gloves, why did the police never recover DNA or fingerprints from his eating tray, utensils, drink container, rifles or magazines said to have been used for the massacre?
Why did the police leave the window down of the abandoned Volvo overnight, causing dew to dissipate fingerprints from the steering wheel?
Why did the gunman need to take the BMW to Seascape when he already had transport via the Volvo?
Why did the gunman need to take Glen Pears as a hostage?
Why did the Victorian bank manager stand up and say, “No not here, not here” when the shooting started in the Broad Arrow Cafe, after which he was immediately killed?
Why wasn’t Roger Larner’s Witness Statement, in which he shows that Martin Bryant could not have been at Port Arthur at the time the shootings began, taken into account?
Why were these Witness Statements or any other favourable to Bryant, not shown to the Judge?
How did Police Commissioner Fielding purport to know there were no live hostages in Seascape, on Monday morning, if he didn’t have radio contact with the people inside Seascape?
Why was Mrs Carleen Bryant, who was escorted to Police Headquarters by police, not asked to identify the telephone caller’s voice from Seascape as her son Martin?
Why was Carleen not asked to persuade Martin to give himself up?
Why did Sergeant Dutton make false statements about the weapons supposedly used?
Why did Sergeant Dutton have a questioner threatened with arrest and escorted from a “Port Arthur Massacre” meeting held in Queensland?
Seascape Cottage
Why, when a sniper at Seascape requested to take out a gunman firing at helicopters, was he told, “negative, this has to happen, negative, this has to happen” (as was overheard by emergency workers on their radio)?
Why did Damien Bugg, the Public Prosecutor, write to Wendy Scurr and other very important witnesses before Bryant’s appearance, stating that they would not be required to give evidence?
Why did the Tasmanian Government confiscate Martin’s assets (approx. $1 million) making him unable to fund his own defence team?
John Avery
Why was John Avery unethically chosen as Byrant’s defence lawyer, given that he had represented the DPP against a witness in the same criminal case?
Why were military helicopters heard overhead most of the night, given that it was not legal at that time in Tasmania for even police aircraft to fly after sunset?
Why were Wendy Scurr and her husband, Graeme so persecuted by Tasmanian Police that they had to eventually leave Tasmania?
Why was Damien Bugg promoted to Commonwealth Public Prosecutor – and given permission to operate that position from Hobart rather than Canberra?
Why was Justice William Cox rewarded with the appointment of Governor of Tasmania?
What happened to Benjamin Overbeeke, accused by some of being the real gunman?
Why was Federal legislation on gun control drawn up prior to the massacre?
How is it that a rifle handed in during a previous amnesty, was one of the weapons supposedly used in this massacre?
The back of John Howard
Why did John Howard lie to me personally, saying that the Port Arthur Massacre was outside the Commonwealth’s jurisdiction, even though he had already declared that there would be no enquiry and that the Broad Arrow Cafe was to be destroyed?
Why did the Australian Federal Police attempt to attack my computer three times with viruses and then crash it twice, after I had made attempts to contact the then Governor General, Michael Jeffrey, in regard to my information from civilian investigators on the subject of the massacre?
If the official story is true why did the Justice Cox have all official records locked away, initially for 30 years, (now extended to 45 years)?
What do the authorities have to hide?
Do you still believe that Martin Bryant is guilty of mass murder?
Still Think Bryant Is Guilty? OK, Answer These Questions - Gumshoe News
A good guy with a gun has saved many lives in Florida – something the media rarely report
9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm
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Gun owner saves pregnant pizza driver from beating, robbery: police
People legally carrying guns stop 22 attacks over last month, including capturing a MS-13 member who was fleeing police - Crime Prevention Research Center
Armed Citizen Intervenes, Kills Suspect Beating AZ State Trooper on Roadside
As Texas Shooter Killed Unarmed Citizens, FBI Admits Armed Citizens Stopped 4 Recent Mass Shootings
Texas church shooting not the first time a good guy with gun takes down mass shooter
Carjacking suspect dead outside Walmart store after armed citizens take action, police say
Carjacking suspect shot dead by man with concealed weapon in Wisconsin, police say
Florida armed bystander stops gunman at crowded back-to-school event at park, police say
Grandmother shoots cyclist trying to break into her home, police say
Home invasion gone wrong: Utah resident kills one suspect, injures another
Homeowner's son shoots, kills three would-be burglars
Husband and wife shoot at gunmen who try to enter their St. Louis home, killing 1, police say
Licensed gun owner aids Illinois cops in shootout with suspect; 1 officer injured
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Mother, daughter thwart armed robbery attempt at Oklahoma liquor store
North Carolina kids fatally shoot man abusing their mother, police say
Texas concealed gun owner kills gunman before he could murder more people
'Hero' Neighbor, Carrying Firearm While Mowing Lawn, Saves Children And Woman From Attack – Concealed Nation
6 teens tried to rob a house, police say. After the homeowner shot and killed 1, the others were charged with murder - CNN
17-Year-Old Girl Uses Dad's Gun to Defend Home From Intruder - GunsAmerica Digest
Texas Woman Stops Five Robbers With Two Shots - GunsAmerica Digest
https://tribunist.com/news/surveillance-footage-from-washington-walmart-shooting-released-video/
Pregnant Florida Woman Kills Home Intruder with AR-15 | National Review
These are just 26 recent examples. I have many, many more.
If you want to talk about decades, the NRA has about 10,000 instances on file.
And yes, @Zoli, they are all referenced with news-media sources.
I'll take my "fantasies" over your "facts" any day...
Ha,aaaa, that's a good one, An Aussie., Atheist quoting Scripture????
I can quote scriptures till the cows come home.
Besides, there's no such thing as an atheist according to the Bible.
Romans 1:20-21, “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse. Because that, WHEN THEY KNEW GOD, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.”
An Eye for an Eye. God says that the punishment must be proportional to the offense.
Leviticus 24:17-22,
17, And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.
18, And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.
19, And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
20, Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
21, And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.
22, Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Now if someone stabs you in the back will you turn and let him stab you in the chest? If some one rapes your daughter would you stand and watch and when he is finished bring out the other??
You know more than Brigadier Ted Serong do you?
Brigadier TED SERONG, former head of AUSTRALIAN FORCES IN VIETNAM, was just as impressed. In 1999, Serong, who explained that his eyes had first been opened by the "astonishing proportion of killed to wounded"—told Melbourne newspaper the Age:
"There was an almost satanic accuracy to that shooting performance. Whoever did it is better than I am, and there are not too many people around here better than I am."
One reason why most members of the general public have accepted the official story that Bryant was the gunman is that they possess a greatly exaggerated idea of what amateur gunmen are able to do. Not only do amateurs tend to injure many more persons than they kill, they are usually overpowered before they have completed their sinister work. By contrast, the Port Arthur gunman was a thorough professional who was at all times in perfect control.
Also important to consider is that, according to witnesses, the Broad Arrow Café shooter shot from his right hip. Not only is Bryant left-handed, he told police he had never fired a gun from his hip or with his right hand. We should believe him. It is doubtful that anyone except a highly trained professional shooter could.
What about the one you atheists believe in? (The life, words, and miracles of Jesus were all lies)?
No Martin was convicted in a court of law following extensive witness testimonies and extensive forensic evidence including him carrying the weapon and ammo that killed and injured so many, gun powder on his hands....
. THATS NOT TRUE, THATS WHAT THE PUBLIC WERE TOLD.
If you take a look at Kylie's post (#55) which I was replying to, you will see that her entire post emphasizes that the "good guy with a gun" in the USA is a fantasy. I showed that it is real.
Her post doesn't say anything about Australia.
Apologies. I just feel the need to point out hypocrisy when I see it.
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