All of them if need be. I was taught the Torah in Hebrew as a little kid. I do not hold very much weight, however, to any English Bible other than to get overarching themes. I do not trust the accuracy of most translations.
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All of them if need be. I was taught the Torah in Hebrew as a little kid. I do not hold very much weight, however, to any English Bible other than to get overarching themes. I do not trust the accuracy of most translations.Which Bible translation do you read?
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You guys are still missing the point. I realize that we don't have Christian laws. I understand that there is separation of church and state. What I've been trying to say is that God never required that separation, man did. As Christians, we SHOULD strive to have Christian laws based on the Christian faith. To say that we should be happy with secular laws goes against what the bible says:
I still haven't seen an answer to this
Jesus stated 2 Laws were the most important, what were they, and do you want them written into the State Laws ?
Heck no. Freakin treehugger class! Priest, Lock, and Mage are my main classes. Rogue was my original, but they are too twitchy.
Warriors forever. Prot spec PvP owns the face off everything if played correctly
I'd probably join in if you do. My son has been trying to get me to play.
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some Christians couldn't/wouldn't share public space with other faiths. That's why secular laws are needed. If you want Christianity to decide the laws, what your suggesting is nothing less then a theocracy, which i will fight with all the power I possess.
Color me a hippie then(dr00d4lyfe!)
Yea, and IF you have a nice tree healing you(and lolpriests ((except DISC Priests. Immortal, I tell ya)))
You should play. You'll wonder why you didn't sooner
I love my trees. They regrow! They nourish! They follow me around as I have all the fun!Yea, and IF you have a nice tree healing you(and lolpriests ((except DISC Priests. Immortal, I tell ya)))
WoW has a 'enjoyment period', during which everything is magical and wonderous. It lasts right up to the moment you lose a need roll on a tanking melee weapon to a hunter.You should play. You'll wonder why you didn't sooner
"fundamental rights may not be submitted to [a] vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections"
Does the Bible not also say that you should submit to governmental authority? Obviously, God's law would override this, but I don't recall any verse that states that you must restrict other people's freedoms. I believe the verses regarding homosexuality tell the reader what to do, not tell the reader what to force other people to do.
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5: Pffft on both Warhammer 40k and WoW, I prefer Oblivion.
I honestly don't have the time it would take to go through this thread and find all the examples of forcing a viewpoint or intolerance. From what I have read in multiple threads in E&M right now (since Prop 8 was overturned) I have noticed quite a bit of intolerance toward Christians who don't believe in gay marriage and I have also noticed a lot of comments directed at Christians challenging their beliefs in a disrespectful way. It's difficult to try to have a respectful discussion when people resort to calling you a religious nutjob, conservative fundie wacko, or a racist bigot.
Oh, a wise guy eh?5: Pffft on both Warhammer 40k and WoW, I prefer Oblivion.
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You guys are still missing the point. I realize that we don't have Christian laws. I understand that there is separation of church and state. What I've been trying to say is that God never required that separation, man did. As Christians, we SHOULD strive to have Christian laws based on the Christian faith. To say that we should be happy with secular laws goes against what the bible says:
James 4:4
You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
I've shown that I don't care if homosexuals marry. You can call yourself married all you want - it doesn't mean that I'm going to consider you married or consider your marriage valid.
What I don't understand is why living your religion requires the law to match your religious beliefs? Do you think it would be right for the Mormon's in Utah to apply their beliefs to the law, to the point that other churches have trouble being allowed to live their beliefs? What if the Mormons decided the only legally recognizable marriages should be the ones that occur in their temples? What if they decide that your church (should you live in an area where the "Mormon" laws apply) cannot use wine in your services because they've enacted prohibition?
If there were a law that would restrict your religious freedoms, prohibit you from living your beliefs without breaking the law, I can see where you would vote your religion (and I think most of us here would join you). This is what I don't understand. Gays getting married does not impact your beliefs or your religion, so why should you limit the freedoms (and to a degree, their religious beliefs to a legal marriage) of those who believe differently?
5: Pffft on both Warhammer 40k and WoW, I prefer Oblivion.
Maren, what I said is that Christians should strive for Christian laws, not that we could only have Christian laws. Christian law is not inherently evil as people would like to make it out to be. I believe marriage is a religious (or personal one for those not religious) issue and shouldn't be a part of any government laws.
I don't want to limit their freedoms. I've said countless times that marriage should not be a voteable issue. (according to my computer's spell check, I just made up a word there. Heh.)
I think the problem is that you mentioned voting for "Christian laws" which brings up the idea of a theocratic type of rule -- which regardless of the root religion has pretty much always been a bad thing. This is much of the reason for the Founding Fathers being inclined toward Freedom of Religion and a government that is secular.
As such, if you said you believe in voting your conscience as a Christian, as opposed to Christian law, I don't think people wouldn't have the same reaction. I don't think most people have the problem with Christianity but rather with how "Christian values" and "Christian Laws" have been co-opted by political groups to push a political agenda.
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