Don't see why you have a problem. I don't think anyone is saying the gifts are ours for the asking. But we are told to desire the best gifts, especially prophecy. So where's the problem?
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PoetSaskia said:Don't see why you have a problem. I don't think anyone is saying the gifts are ours for the asking. But we are told to desire the best gifts, especially prophecy. So where's the problem?
OreGal said:I feel strongly about this because I went that route too. I did not (or would not) recognize the gift I'd been gift and sought after other gifts. God let me and after time, I fell hard. It took me years to recognize my gift and it is a difficult one. I also believe God gives and takes away gifts as he chooses. But, I do believe that the Lord places these gifts on those whom He has chosen. Our job is to find our gift and use it to bless Him. I also believe if it is truly a gift from God, you will use it correctly. If it is prophesize, you will prophesize correctly. If it is healing, healing will be instantaneous so on and so forth. If your track record is dubious, it is VERY doubtful that gift is from the Lord
Exactly, tongues can very easily be counterfeited. That is why we need to be prayed up, and use discernment, and yield ourselves to be used in the gift of discernment and word of knowledge. I believe that is the only way one can tell if tongues are genuine, unless of course they are being manifested by a cult. At that point its obvious.AudioArtist said:HOWEVER, I do see there is a possibility that lots of speaking in tongues is not demonic NOR is it from God, but simply of the mind; it's quite easy to invent new words and speak in what sounds like tongues; perhaps some people think they can because they have prayed for it, when infact they can't. I could do similar stuff to tongues before I actually recieved the true gift of tongues!
OreGal said:to which Bible verses are you referring?
AudioArtist said:But my point was-if it is of the mind, that's not *so* much of a worry, is it? Especially if people are doing it to Jesus (which of course, they are.)
I don't believe it's possible for a believer to manifest a "demonic tongue." When a person is saved, they are indwelt or inhabited by the Holy Spirit. They become the temple of God, and the Holy Spirit will not share His dwelling place with another spirit.What is rare amongst Christians I imagine (because of the scripture I mentioned before-God giving good gifts to his children) is demonic tongues, and of course, that is very dangerous.
Jesusong said:Prayer in tongues does not need to be interpreted. Paul stated in 1Cor14:14-17:
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What's happening is this: when you are praying in tongues it is your spirit that is praying, and your mind is unfruitful because you have no idea what is being prayed, who's being prayed for, etc. Paul is saying that I will continue to pray in the Spirit (tongues) and I will pray with understanding (in normal language). When an utterance in tongues during public worship is given, then an interpretation must be given, if it is of the Holy Spirit. And this will only happen when a word from the Lord has come. If no interpretation is given, then it may mean that the utterance was of the flesh and not of the Lord. What this is also telling us is that when we pray in tongues, it should be done quietly, otherwise confusion will result. People will expect an interpretation when none should be given because it was a prayer and not an utterance of the Holy Spirit.
Now as far as interpretation of tongues is concerned, the person giving the utterance of the Holy Spirit in tongues should be the one who will interpret his or her utterance. If they aren't willing to interpret what is being said, they shouldn't be so willing to speak out. This gives a sense of accountability to themselves and to the church.
Just recently I concluded a teaching series in Sunday School on this very topic. I don't remember how many times I drilled this into the classes heads just to make sure that they understood why Paul put these types of restrictions on the manifestations of the Spirit, so to stop the spread of confusion.
Ann Doupont said:OreGal, I think it's Romans 11:29 that says that the gifts of God (and the calling) are without repentance. In other words, He doesn't give them and then take them back. He can and does give more gifts to those He can trust, but He doesn't take away what He's already given.
Ann
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