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In response to the question of whether or not there would be given the gift of prophesy to others beyond sister White, I have started this thread to post up any that you find that agree with the light already given...

These three that I have found are all focused on finacial collapse as the catalyst for the trouble to come. The last one by Sarah Menet particularly harmonizes with what sister White has said in regard to getting our of the cities and the necessity of the saints eventually fleeing into the mountain strongholds, and being protected by divine aid.

I am not advocating these people as having the prophetic gift as nothing is known about them to test them as having the gift. I am merely posting them to show that it is possible that God has inspired others to give warnings to His people....

1933: Quaker Prophecy:


I saw international war again break out with its center upon the Pacific Ocean, but sweeping and encircling the whole globe.


I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before....


I saw the international world war automatically break down, and national revolution occur in every country, and complete the work of chaos and desolation. I saw geological disturbances occur, which helped in this work as if it were intended to do so... I saw the international boundary line disappear as these two governments broke up and dissolved into chaos. I saw race rioting upon the American continent on a vast scale.


I saw hunger and starvation in this world; I saw disease produced by hunger, strife and chaos complete the end of this present order or epoch. How long these events were in reaching this consummation I do not know, but my impression was from the outbreak of the international war these things developed into a continuous procession, and almost ran concurrently, as it is with a sickness, the various symptoms are all in evidence at one and the same time, but in different stages of development.


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1940? John Koyle:


This time of trouble will be ushered in by a financial crash; we go to bed at night and awake in the morning with no light, water, gas or heat. The money will become worthless, not worth the paper it is written on, an armful would not buy a loaf of bread."


... Koyle said that Wall Street would have a major drop sometime before the total failure and that the Government would step in to help save it.


Koyle was shown that our entire wage and price structure had risen higher and higher so that it was like it was up on high stilts, and then suddenly it was as if someone over-night had kicked the stilts out from under it, and the whole thing came down with a crash to about 20 cents on the dollar. Property would only be worth l/5 of its former value, but mortgage and other fixed debts would remain the same.


$20 bills would blow like trash in the gutter, not worth the trouble of bending over to pick them up....


The US would call its military home from all over the world just to keep the greenbacks home and to keep the peace.


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1980: Sarah Menet


The next thing that came to me was more felt than seen. It was the understanding that shortly after the crashing of the buildings in New York City (911), commerce ceased. Shopping and buying seemed to stop, and the economy failed throughout the world. Few had any money at all, and those who did have it could not buy anything of worth with it. Gold and silver and other commodities had value and could be traded.


I then saw a man walk into a middle of a crowd of people and drop what seemed like a quart jar full of liquid. The jar broke and the liquid spread. I understood that people nearby had become infected with a disease from the liquid, and they didn't even know it. A day or two later the people became sick and started dying. I saw that this would happen in four particular cities: New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Salt Lake City. The disease started with white blisters, some the size of a dime, appearing the hands, arms and face of the victims. The blisters quickly developed into white puffy sores. Those with the disease would stumble around and fall over dead. Many died within a short time, perhaps 24 hours.


I also saw other people with a flu-like virus that spread more quickly than the first disease. The victims had blood coming from their nose, mouth, eyes, and ears. These people died even faster of this disease than the ones who had the first sickness. These diseases became wide-spread across the United States with hundreds of thousands infected.


As the people were fleeing the cities in the hope of saving their lives, gangs were attacking them and killing them. In the towns that were struck with disease there was chaos, with looting, rioting and murders involved in a complete breakdown of society. Many people seemed to go crazy. I sensed that the electricity had failed everywhere and that nothing was running throughout the country, including any of the communication systems. I watched people throw rocks through windows to steal TV's that would not work and thought it was very strange....


There was a tremendously long winter that caught everyone by surprise following the siege of sickness. It started early and lasted into the summer months. A famine had begun over the few years leading up to the long winter because of storms, droughts, floods and other plagues that had taken place; and the abnormally long cold period seemed to cause the famine to suddenly increase to its full measure.


In the period of time following the disease, which was quickly followed by the long winter, things started going down hill very quickly. Events piled up one on top of another without any breaks. My sense of timing was not very clear at this moment; however because I was seeing several things happening all at the same time or very close together.


During and after the long winter, the disease spread everywhere and increased in severity. The economy and the electricity were completely gone. Chaos and anarchy reigned over the entire United States. Without any government there was a total breakdown, and I saw people panicking everywhere. They were trying in vain to find food. There was none. I saw people even digging in the ground for worms to eat because they were so hungry from the lack of food.


Also, during this time I became aware that there was very little drinking water, and the remaining water had become contaminated, so that if a person drank it they would contract the disease and die. Because of their great thirst many people drank the water in spite of the danger of poisoning and died.


I mentioned earlier the gangs that killed people trying to escape the cities. It seemed that some of the people had lost their minds and went around in these gangs killing people just for the sake of killing; others killed for food or to gain some material possessions from their victims. Those that were killing for no reason were like beasts: animals completely out of control, as they raped, looted, burned and butchered people. I saw these gangs go into the homes of those who were hiding. They would drag them out of their hiding places, rape and dismember them.


For many there was an unnatural fear and hatred that came over the people. Family ties that once existed between husbands and wives, parents and children no longer mattered. The only thing that mattered was individual survival. Men would kill their wives and children for food or water. Mothers would kill their children. For me, the events that then lay before me were horrible beyond description and almost unbearable to watch....


As I looked upon this scene of chaos, smoke and destruction I noticed that there were small pockets of light scattered over the United States. There were, I would guess, about twenty or thirty of them that I saw. I noticed that most of the locations of light were in the western part of the United States, with only three or four of them being in the east. These places of light seemed to shine brightly through the darkness and were such a contrast to the rest of the scene that they caught my attention. I focused on them for a moment and asked, 'What are these things?'


I was then able to see that these points of light were people who had gathered together and were kneeling in prayer. The light was actually coming from the people, and I understood that the light was showing forth their goodness and love. I further understood that they gathered together for safety and that, contrary to what I had witnessed everywhere, the cared more for each other than for themselves. Some of the groups were small with only a hundred people or so, but other groups consisted of what seemed to be thousands.


I realized that many, if not all, of these places of light, or cities of light as I began to think of them, had somehow been established just before the biological attack, and that they were very organized. It was as if they had known what was coming and had prepared for it. I did not see who or what had organized them, but I did see many people struggling to reach them with nothing but what they could carry.


The cities of light had food that others outside of those groups did not have, and within the cities of light food was readily shared with those who joined their groups. In these places there was peace and safety. The inhabitants were living in tents of all kinds, many of which were no more than blankets held up by poles. I noticed that the gangs made no threats on these groups and left them completely alone, choosing to pick on other targets and unprotected people, as many of the people in those cities had guns that they would use for self-defense. The gangs also preyed upon the people who were traveling, trying to reach the cities of light.


As I looked upon them, I realized that these cities of light were temporary and that in a short time the people living within them would go to another place. I do not know where they were to go but seemed to think that they gathered in the mountains, to higher places."
 

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These people and EGW did not have prophetic gifts their gift is this:


And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith Elohim, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:17, 18 Joel 2:28, 29

I agree that they prophesied the same as EGW only to confirm that Yahweh is "no respect of persons," and that these including Hiram Edison were lead by the Holy Spirit. This also shows that Yahweh is consistent in His word and that all the churches had the same calling. They rejected His call and new call was made and people came from these churches to form a new church of messengers to be sent out like his disciples. Others today have the same gift giving by the Holy Spirit to return the messenger which is the SDA Church back to truth in true prophecy given by the Almighty Father. Yashua is pleading with us with these words:

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of Elohim; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev 3:13-19

EGW stated clearly that she was not in the prophetic business but was called by Yashua to be His earthly messenger to the Church. There are two types of people called by Elohim in the Bible one were solely prophets and others solely messengers and then there were those who were both prophets and messengers like Nathan and Elijah.


Finally I say this with care to you or anyone else who claim to accept the writings of EGW that was given by Yashua to her if you do not believe what she stated that clearly came from Him than what do you believe? She clearly stated without hesitation that Yashua called her a messenger and if we differ from His word than we are not accepting hers word and most of all His word to be true!


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Stinsomarri, you beat me to the punch. I was going to use that text in Acts and Joel to say that the Bible says there will be others who will prophesy, and it seems it will be fairly common. However, I don't believe we are listening. It is not coming in the expected package, and we are missing out on important if not vital infomation.
 
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These people and EGW did not have prophetic gifts their gift is this:


And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:17, 18 Joel 2:28, 29

I agree that they prophesied the same as EGW only to confirm that Yahweh is "no respect of persons," and that these including Hiram Edison were lead by the Holy Spirit.


Help me out here as I'm getting a conflicting message...

First you said... "These people and EGW did not have prophetic gifts their gift is this:" and then you proceeded to quote a passage that speaks of the gift of prophesying. Nowhere in that passage does it mentions 'messengers'. Personally, as I pointed out from Haggai, I believe prophets to be messengers, they are interchangable terms...

Then you said... "I agree that they prophesied the same as EGW...". I thought you didn't believe she was a prophet(ess)? How can one have the gift of prophesy and not be a prophet? In the OT there were major prophets and minor prophets but they were all used by God to bring a 'message' to His people.

In the end, it doesn't really matter if you believe she was a 'messenger' and I see her as a prophet, it's what God inspired her to writethat is important..

 
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Stinsomarri, you beat me to the punch. I was going to use that text in Acts and Joel to say that the Bible says there will be others who will prophesy, and it seems it will be fairly common. However, I don't believe we are listening. It is not coming in the expected package, and we are missing out on important if not vital infomation.

Princessdi:

Well I see we are on the same page. If SDA would see and understand that many beside EGW prophesized which means edifying or building up what the prophets in the Bible had state with clearer understanding. We do not need any more prophets after John because the Bible clearly said this:

The Revelation of Yashua Messiah, which Elohim gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Rev 1:1

John was reveal everything up into the Time of Trouble, the beast/man rise and end, the destruction of Jerusalem for the final last time, its replacement with the New City coming down from Heaven, Satan bound in his lonely estate out somewhere with his angels for a thousand years, the saints and the Messiah returned with the Father and the Holy Spirit to live here on the earth made new and finally the death of sin, the wicked, Satan and all of his evil host for good and peace for ever. So why would you need another prophet or prophetess? What you need are those who will be filled with the Holy Spirit and see these prophetic vision clearly as Paul saw that it was Yashua who he was fighting against. Paul was not a prophet but a messenger like these people and EGW to shout out an alarm that time is winding down. Cities today because of sin had to be destroyed it had reach to Heaven and the wrath of Elohim had to be done. It is happening now with the heat, storms and more and it will get worst until the Time of Trouble and it will be poured out without measure on this wicked earth!

If we would do as EGW asked and study more of us will also be a part of Joel and Acts. I feel I have the gift as well to understanding prophecies but if you made this claim SDA put you down. However, I am not a sham of the gospel because truth will stand. All will see that what I understand EGW stated clearly in TM about the Papacy, the beast/man, the mark of the beast, the image to the beast (which is not any Sunday blue law this is not in the Bible.), Babylon is Jerusalem, and so much more.

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You stated:

First you said... "These people and EGW did not have prophetic gifts their gift is this:" and then you proceeded to quote a passage that speaks of the gift of prophesying. Nowhere in that passage does it mentions 'messengers'. Personally, as I pointed out from Haggai, I believe prophets to be messengers, they are interchangeable terms...


I still said that they do not have prophetic gifts but the gift of the Holy Spirit totally different:



And Elohim hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. Co 12:28-31

Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints. 2Co 8:4

Then you said... "I agree that they prophesied the same as EGW...". I thought you didn't believe she was a prophet(ess)? How can one have the gift of prophesy and not be a prophet? In the OT there were major prophets and minor prophets but they were all used by God to bring a 'message' to His people.

Prophet means to "foreteller," prophecy as "understood in its strict sense, it means the foreknowledge of future events, though it may sometimes apply to past events of which there is no memory, and to present hidden things.

G5346
phemi
to show or make known one’s thoughts, that is, speak or say: - affirm, say. Compare G3004.

G3004
lego
A primary verb; properly to “lay” forth, that is, (figuratively) relate (in words [usually of systematic or set discourse.

I saw that Elohim had especially guarded the Bible; yet when copies of it were few, learned men had in some instances changed the words, thinking that they were making it more plain, when in reality they were mystifying that which was plain, by causing it to lean to their established views, which were governed by tradition. But I saw that the Word of Elohim, as a whole, is a perfect chain, one portion linking into and explaining another. True seekers for truth need not err; for not only is the Word of Elohim plain and simple in declaring the way of life, but the Holy Spirit is given as a guide in understanding the way to life therein revealed. EW 220

The secret things belong unto YAHWEH our Elohim: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deut 29:29


All scripture is given by inspiration of Elohim, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:16


For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of Elohim spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. 2Pe 1:21


Yahweh chose holy men and women in the Bible to reveal both past and future events. EGW was not given anything that was not already in the Bible. She was given clearer understanding because she prayed for truth as a youth. I still stick to the true fact that she was not a prophetess you do not need EGW writings to be save ECR only the Bible which she pointed back to my friend.


In the end, it doesn't really matter if you believe she was a 'messenger' and I see her as a prophet, it's what God inspired her to write that is important..


"I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A PROPHETESS." and they have asked, Why is this? I have had no claims to make, only that I am instructed that I am Yahweh’s messenger; that He called me in my youth to be His messenger, to receive His word, and to give a clear and decided message in the name of the Lord Jesus. 1SM 31, 32.1


That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Master and Saviour: 2Pe 3:2


Let me give you a warning ECR if you take this stand then you go against the Bible and EGW herself. You cannot said that you serve the Master and He given you direct understanding she never saw anything that was already revealed in the Bible. SDA has made a big mistake with her as the Jews did with Moses taking them over the Bible. Because the Jews were hung on the Laws of Moses which was temporary they put in jeopardy Yahweh's Feast Days which are statues and a part of the Covenant or Yahweh's universal law. SDA has put EGW where she does not belong equal and above the Bible which is a sin!!!!!

Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. Eze 3:20, 21

I have given you the warning, EGW have given you the fact that she was a messenger and not a prophetess the rest is up to you.


May Yahweh the Father be well with your soul,:prayer:
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Prophet means to "foreteller," prophecy as "understood in its strict sense, it means the foreknowledge of future events, though it may sometimes apply to past events of which there is no memory, and to present hidden things.

Yahweh chose holy men and women in the Bible to reveal both past and future events. EGW was not given anything that was not already in the Bible. She was given clearer understanding because she prayed for truth as a youth. I still stick to the true fact that she was not a prophetess you do not need EGW writings to be save ECR only the Bible which she pointed back to my friend.

So you haven't read her compilation 'Last Day Events' or the last chapter of The Great Controversy? Where in the Bible does it tell us about the coming Sunday Law?​

To your point of not needing EGW to be saved, show me where I ever said that, or even inferred it. :confused:

Thanx for your 'warning' but I would look at the log in your own eye, regarding your unique interpretation of future events that don't jive with either the Bible or EGW writings, than point out the spec in mine for believing and understanding what she was clearly shown about future events...​
 
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You stated:

So you haven't read her compilation 'Last Day Events' or the last chapter of The Great Controversy? Where in the Bible does it tell us about the coming Sunday Law?


I believed as you did one time until I prayed for understanding along with the aid of EGW herself. I have all of her books my friend but I realized that many of the books are reproduce over and over to make money with different names. What I also had to come to term with is the time of her writings and were they inspired by Yahweh or base on tradition! I also know the history of this church since I have been around since a child. My mother had everything Signs of the Time, Review and Herald, Liberty and more during these years. I have been to meeting and sessions, arguments on various views that the church still accept or rejected. I am familiar with many of the ministers that now have position at the GC level. I am not someone that does not know the ins and outs of the SDA Church and I am a SDA base on fundamental principles of the Bible. I have seem problems with this church over race, jewelry, coffee, marriage, divorce and so forth. I seen ministers kicked out when they preach against the church views of Daniel and Revelation without giving a chance. I have seen great lights leave the church now over the Investigated Judgment. I have credentials as a Bible Worker and more so I stand well knowledge on Seventh-day Adventist belief!


As you saying about me being aware of EGW stand on the Sunday law let me show you where it is found and the dates of her belief.


When our nation shall so abjure the principles of its government as to enact a Sunday law, Protestantism will in this act join hands with popery.--5T 712 (1889). LDE 128


Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth, and even in free America rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance.--GC 578, 579, 592 (1911).


But I have not seen any Biblical references nor did I read "thus said Yahweh or I was shown," these word I stand are inspired by Yahweh and you will found prophetic proof from the Bible to show it was already written! EGW as she aged realized that many things once thought to be true were misunderstood by her and others and only Yahweh's word is infallible.


How shall we search the Scriptures in order to understand what they teach? We should come to the investigation of Elohim’s word with a contrite heart, a teachable and prayerful spirit. We are not to think, as did the Jews, that our own ideas and opinions are infallible; nor with the papists, that certain individuals are the sole guardians of truth and knowledge, that men have no right to search the Scriptures for themselves, but must accept the explanations given by the fathers of the church. We should not study the Bible for the purpose of sustaining our preconceived opinions, but with the single object of learning what Elohim has said.
Some have feared that if in even a single point they acknowledge themselves in error, other minds would be led to doubt the whole theory of truth. Therefore they have felt that investigation should not be permitted, that it would tend to dissension and disunion. But if such is to be the result of investigation, the sooner it comes the better. If there are those whose faith in Elohim’s word will not stand the test of an investigation of the Scriptures, the sooner they are revealed the better; for then the way will be opened to show them their error. We cannot hold that a position once taken, an idea once advocated, is not, under any circumstances, to be relinquished. There is but One who is infallible--He who is the way, the truth, and the life.
Those who allow prejudice to bar the mind against the reception of truth cannot receive the divine enlightenment. Yet, when a view of Scripture is presented, many do not ask, Is it true--in harmony with Elohim’s word? but, By whom is it advocated? and unless it comes through the very channel that pleases them, they do not accept it. So thoroughly satisfied are they with their own ideas that they will not examine the Scripture evidence with a desire to learn, but refuse to be interested, merely because of their prejudices. Yahweh often works where we least expect Him; He surprises us by revealing His power through instruments of His own choice, while He passes by the men to whom we have looked as those through whom light should come. Elohim desires us to receive the truth upon its own merits--because it is truth.
The Bible must not be interpreted to suit the ideas of men, however long they may have held these ideas to be true. We are not to accept the opinion of commentators as the voice of Elohim; they were erring mortals like ourselves. Elohim has given reasoning powers to us as well as to them. We should make the Bible its own expositor. TM 105, 106


Why want you believe what she is stating as a fact here? Sunday laws were misunderstood because the Bible said that the Papacy would attempt not force Sunday and other laws and I have never read anything in the Bible about Sunday blue laws. Just like I have never read in the Bible that the passover supper was a Feast day but you all believe it but show me where and provide me proof and then I will humbly recant. You know this because you have with stood me on mistakes I have made and I accepted them. However you will not admit when I show you yours!


To your point of not needing EGW to be saved, show me where I ever said that, or even inferred it.


Show me where I stated that you did, all I am saying that if she was a prophetess as you have claim against what she and Yahweh who called her said that she is not then something is wrong. A person who is a prophet are called holy people I never read that she was called that instead as many in the last days will be called according to both Joel and Acts messengers with the gift of the Spirit!


Thanx for your 'warning' but I would look at the log in your own eye, regarding your unique interpretation of future events that don't jive with either the Bible or EGW writings, than point out the spec in mine for believing and understanding what she was clearly shown about future events...


Everything I have presented is Bible base and I did not interpreted anything at all. The Bible said the beast is the eighth, the woman rides the beast, she is called a harlot, Gentile would tread down the holy city for 3 1/2 years forty two months, the beast comes from the bottomless pit, that Satan gives the beast his seat, authority and power (where does he have all of these), that Satan will be chained in the bottomless pit, Jerusalem is Babylon because she is the only one that killed the prophets, she is the great city, beast plants his palace beside the sea, false prophet get the world to make an image to the beast, image speaks as the serpent spoke and Armageddon is the battle of Yahweh Almighty and not the Son's battle. This battle is when the beast hates the harlot and Babylon/Jerusalem falls and the angel finish by casting a millstone on the city. This Battle the Father gathers them during the fifth and six plagues where the Son has not arrive yet, Yahweh scatter His people during this time because the beast goes after them, Yashua intercedes and throws the beast and the false prophet in the lake of fire, the others the birds eat their flesh. Show me where I interpreted any of this but combine both Daniel and Revelation together for clear understanding with Matt 24 that was given by Yashua?

Blessings, :bow:
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