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<blockquote data-quote="Pink Spider" data-source="post: 63549593" data-attributes="member: 331561"><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If you haven't already done so - then <u>read</u>:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em><strong>'The Logic of Scientific Discovery'</strong></em> by Karl R. Popper.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(and PLEASE - after you done so - spare me the most</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">commonly cited critiques of that masterwork, if you</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">can)</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Science does <strong>not</strong> provide <u>absolute truths</u>. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Absolute truth can be found within the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">framework of </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">formal systems like </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mathematics.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">History has no evidence? Seriously? </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Even Jesus existence is </strong></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>confirmed by a few </strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>non-biblical </strong></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>sources.</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Yes I do. </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Buy a telescope and check the movement</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">of other celestial bodies and you will soon arrive</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">at the conclusion that the planets revolve around </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the sun.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>So:</strong> Both History and Science have no </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">evidence?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Wow! </span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I see your point. However - many scientific theories</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">one can experience </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">by oneself.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Not to speak of mathematics. I simply read the</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mathematical proof </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">and see whether it holds.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">That's no way to prove or ascertain anything.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Yes, yes - I have heard that argument a few times.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So what you are saying is that perhaps Napoleon</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bonaparte did </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">not exist? No?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Well - the sheer volume of literally hundreds of</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">thousands of </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">direct or indirect references from </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">literally thousands and thousands </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">of people </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">makes it <u>extremely probable</u> that he existed. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">And for him </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">it was not necessary to sacrifice </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">himself...</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The same goes for Jesus, only that the sources are </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">very few. Still </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">it was not necessary to sacrifice </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">himself - just to prove that he </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">existed.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I told you before - science does NOT provide absolute</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">truths. That realm </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">is reserved for mathematics.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is a very promising hypothesis that explains a lot </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">of things.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">We do not know yet, whether Big Bangs have</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">occurred before in </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the multiverse and/or whether</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">they will happen again.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u>On a side note:</u> You only talk about <strong><em>deduction</em></strong> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">when it comes to </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px">science - what about </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><em>induction</em></strong>?</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pink Spider, post: 63549593, member: 331561"] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]If you haven't already done so - then [U]read[/U]:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][I][B]'The Logic of Scientific Discovery'[/B][/I] by Karl R. Popper.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3](and PLEASE - after you done so - spare me the most[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]commonly cited critiques of that masterwork, if you[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]can)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Science does [B]not[/B] provide [U]absolute truths[/U]. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Absolute truth can be found within the [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]framework of [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]formal systems like [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]mathematics.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]History has no evidence? Seriously? [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][B]Even Jesus existence is [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][B]confirmed by a few [/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][B]non-biblical [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][B]sources.[/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Yes I do. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Buy a telescope and check the movement[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]of other celestial bodies and you will soon arrive[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]at the conclusion that the planets revolve around [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]the sun.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][B]So:[/B] Both History and Science have no [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]evidence?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Wow! [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]I see your point. However - many scientific theories[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]one can experience [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]by oneself.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Not to speak of mathematics. I simply read the[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]mathematical proof [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]and see whether it holds.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]That's no way to prove or ascertain anything.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Yes, yes - I have heard that argument a few times.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]So what you are saying is that perhaps Napoleon[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Bonaparte did [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]not exist? No?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Well - the sheer volume of literally hundreds of[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]thousands of [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]direct or indirect references from [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]literally thousands and thousands [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]of people [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]makes it [U]extremely probable[/U] that he existed. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]And for him [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]it was not necessary to sacrifice [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]himself...[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]The same goes for Jesus, only that the sources are [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]very few. Still [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]it was not necessary to sacrifice [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]himself - just to prove that he [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]existed.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]I told you before - science does NOT provide absolute[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]truths. That realm [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]is reserved for mathematics.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]It is a very promising hypothesis that explains a lot [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]of things.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]We do not know yet, whether Big Bangs have[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]occurred before in [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]the multiverse and/or whether[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]they will happen again.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][U]On a side note:[/U] You only talk about [B][I]deduction[/I][/B] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]when it comes to [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]science - what about [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][B][I]induction[/I][/B]?[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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