Proof That The SPLC Is [b]Ridiculous[/b]!

[brewmama]

Ben Carson is an extremist??

Ben Carson | Southern Poverty Law Center

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

The SPLC is an extreme hard left reactionary group. If one does not follow their agenda, than that person's will be labeled and a serious attempt will be made to ruin them.

 

[brewmama]

Many people here take their word as totally true.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Many people here take their word as totally true.

Dr. Carson seems like a decent Christian man. That is my observation.

As Far as the SPLC, I bet if we hsd a list of 10 topics that concerned Christians, that the SPLC would be on the opposing side.

I notice that any group that opposes abortion, winds up on the hate list category. So that leads us backnto Dr. Carson. The SPLC opposes everything he stands for, therefore he must be labeled a hater.

 

[Metal Minister]

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[MikeK]

I like Ben Carson, but he has held some extremist views. (Edited to add: scratch that, I don't know that he has) Extremist doesn't always mean bad or wrong, of course. I don't believe the SPLC is inerrant, but they have done much good in the fight against street gangs, white Suppremecists and black seperatists, the KKK and other groups bent on promoting evil.

There is a fair amount of anger by xenophobic types over the SPLC labeling a lying islamophobe's group a hate group. A series of hate groups sprang up around the same time, with a common theme of spreading lies about Islam (as if the truth weren't bad enough!). The SPLC investigated a bit and exposed the multiple groups as being the work of a handful of well-funded individuals. Granted, nobody who observed the world around them and saw how rare Islamic violence really is bought their lies, but a lot of less-astute people did. Though they aren't perfect, the SPLC's dogged research makes them valuable allies for the thinking man.

 

[MikeK]

I notice that any group that opposes abortion, winds up on the hate list category.

I don't think you looked very hard, the Catholic Church is a group that opposes abortion but they are not on the SPLC's list. The SSPX and other non-Catholic offshoots are, but the Roman Church, the world's foremost pro-life group, is not.

 

[brewmama]

I like Ben Carson, but he has held some extremist views. Extremist doesn't always mean bad or wrong, of course. I don't believe the SPLC is inerrant, but they have done much good in the fight against street gangs, white Suppremecists and black seperatists, the KKK and other groups bent on promoting evil.

There is a fair amount of anger by xenophobic types over the SPLC labeling a lying islamophobe's group a hate group. A series of hate groups sprang up around the same time, with a common theme of spreading lies about Islam (as if the truth weren't bad enough!). The SPLC investigated a bit and exposed the multiple groups as being the work of a handful of well-funded individuals. Granted, nobody who observed the world around them and saw how rare Islamic violence really is bought their lies, but a lot of less-astute people did. Though they aren't perfect, the SPLC's dogged research makes them valuable allies for the thinking man.

What extremist views has Ben Carson held?

 

[MikeK]

What extremist views has Ben Carson held?

You know what? None. I recant that. I had thought he was a "vaccines should be optional" loon, he isn't. He isn't a "no more gun control!" nut either, I had thought he was. I was wrong.

I do believe that good men, especially those who identify as Christian, should be honest and answer direct questions directly, so there you go

 

[brewmama]

You know what? None. I recant that. I had thought he was a "vaccines should be optional" loon, he isn't. He isn't a "no more gun control!" nut either, I had thought he was. I was wrong.

Thank you!

 

[LoAmmi]

What extremist views has Ben Carson held?

Two comments of his bothered me. I mean beyond the "I don't agree with him" sense.

The first was comparing the US of today to Nazi Germany. Anybody who does that needs to go study history a lot more and realize how foolish a comment that is.

The second, which he backed off of, was equating homosexuals with pedophiles and those that practice bestiality. I don't believe those are appropriate comparisons, though some here would disagree.

 

[brewmama]

Two comments of his bothered me. I mean beyond the "I don't agree with him" sense.

The first was comparing the US of today to Nazi Germany. Anybody who does that needs to go study history a lot more and realize how foolish a comment that is.

The second, which he backed off of, was equating homosexuals with pedophiles and those that practice bestiality. I don't believe those are appropriate comparisons, though some here would disagree.

He did not equate homosexuals with pedophiles or practicing bestiality.

“Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn’t matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition.”
Carson’s comments drew criticism for using "gays" in the same sentence as pedophiles and practitioners of bestiality. (from wikipedia)

Using things in the same sentence is equating? This is how ridiculous political correctness has become today, which is what he was referring to in his comment about Nazi Germany as "You know, you had a government using its tools to intimidate the population. We now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe."

Read more: Ben Carson: America's now 'very much like Nazi Germany' - Washington Times
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How is that wrong or foolish?

 

[RKO]

The thing about calling somebody an extremist is I will disagree with you if I agree with the extremist.

 

[LoAmmi]

He did not equate homosexuals with pedophiles or practicing bestiality.

“Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn’t matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition.”
Carson’s comments drew criticism for using "gays" in the same sentence as pedophiles and practitioners of bestiality. (from wikipedia)

Using things in the same sentence is equating?

If I concluded a sentence and said that we should not bow to pressures from "lairs, child molesters, or Catholic priests", you wouldn't think I was trying to equate them in some way? Perhaps Mr. Carson was not attempting to do so but so many who are against homosexual marriage have equated the three that I don't give him the benefit of the doubt.

This is how ridiculous political correctness has become today, which is what he was referring to in his comment about Nazi Germany as "You know, you had a government using its tools to intimidate the population. We now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe."

Read more: Ben Carson: America's now 'very much like Nazi Germany' - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

How is that wrong or foolish?

First, because the government is not using its tools to intimidate people. "Political correctness" is a social idea, not a legal one. No law has been passed that prevents Mr. Carson from speaking. You know, like he did. He hasn't yet been dragged off to a prison to be executed.

Second, because comparing people speaking against what you have to say and applying social pressure to get you to stop is not the same as the systematic murder of 12 million men, women, and children. It's just foolish to even begin to say it.

Also, it's interesting that every time someone speaks against what a Conservative person has said there is a call of too much political correctness in order to shut up the person criticizing the Conservative.

 

[sylverpiano]

Many people here take their word as totally true.

I have never seen this organization quoted as a source in this forum. I admit that i do not read each and every post in each and every thread, but this is the first time since I have been posting in OBOB quote the SPLC

 

[sylverpiano]

AS far as Doctor Carson, I have never read anything about him that I considered extreme. I did say in an earlier thread that he has little chance of winning the GOP nomination and an absolutely zero chance of winning the 2016 election.

I stand by those opinions and would be happy to accept reasonable wagers on the outcome....

 

[brewmama]

The thing about calling somebody an extremist is I will disagree with you if I agree with the extremist.

So, you agree with the SPLC that Ben Carson is an extremist?

 

[brewmama]

I have never seen this organization quoted as a source in this forum. I admit that i do not read each and every post in each and every thread, but this is the first time since I have been posting in OBOB quote the SPLC

Well, I have.

 

[sylverpiano]

Well, I have.

I am sorry if you took that post as implying that I thought you were being untruthful. This is not the case. I did point out that I do not read every post in every thread, so the quotes from that organization must have been in items that I did not read.

Mi Dispiace

 

[brewmama]

If I concluded a sentence and said that we should not bow to pressures from "lairs, child molesters, or Catholic priests", you wouldn't think I was trying to equate them in some way? Perhaps Mr. Carson was not attempting to do so but so many who are against homosexual marriage have equated the three that I don't give him the benefit of the doubt.

The only equating of them is that they are groups that have interests in changing the definition of marriage, which is what he was referring to.

In answer to your question, no I wouldn't. You are welcome to your opinion, but it is rather ungenerous.

First, because the government is not using its tools to intimidate people. "Political correctness" is a social idea, not a legal one. No law has been passed that prevents Mr. Carson from speaking. You know, like he did. He hasn't yet been dragged off to a prison to be executed.

Second, because comparing people speaking against what you have to say and applying social pressure to get you to stop is not the same as the systematic murder of 12 million men, women, and children. It's just foolish to even begin to say it.

Also, it's interesting that every time someone speaks against what a Conservative person has said there is a call of too much political correctness in order to shut up the person criticizing the Conservative.

So you think that labeling Ben Carson officially as an extremist has nothing to do with political correctness and that we are out of line for objecting to it?

And yes, the Nazis did descend into terror, but initially they took a familiar tone. Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After der fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves "The Children of the New Age of World Order" and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler accrued more power, he referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred". Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary". Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a "New World Order".