Proof that the Bible is NOT corrupted and is reliable.

http://www.themystica.org/mystica/articles/m/metamorphosis.html

The article concludes with a Star Trek reference.

Bevlina said:

The Bible is used alot by archeologists who have proven through digs that what it states is true. That can be checked on the web.

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The Odyssey and the Iliad were used by archeologists to find the lost city of Troy. By your reasoning this means that these myths are true.

Fire said:

Why did Paul's story about the fate of Judas differ from Matthews?

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Witness testimony is often presumed to be better than circumstantial evidence. Studies have shown that individual, separate witness testimony is often flawed and parts of it can be meaningless. This can occur because of a person's faulty observation and recollection, because of a person's bias, or because the witness is lying. If several witnesses witness a crime it is probative to look for similarities in their collective descriptions to substantiate the facts of an event, keeping in mind the contrasts of individual descriptions.

In other words: Perception is subjective.

NOTW said:

In Matthew 27:5, "went away, and hanged himself."
and in Acts 1:18, "He fell headfirst to his death. His body split open, and all his internal organs came out."

What really happened is that after Judas sold Jesus and got his money, he bought a piece of land where he hung himself on the tip of a cliff of his land, but the rope cut and he fell off the cliff spliting his body open, and all his internal organs came out.

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How does a body fall headfirst after it has been hanged from a tree?

NOTW said:

Haven't you heard of falling from a high cliff and spining/rotating if you hit the side of the cliff ?

Jeeez, you must be real smart...

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So you are telling me than you believe a proven liar when he tells you that there was this field which had a tree on the edge of a cliff which was high enough for a man fall from, headfirst, spinning as he did so, to be disembowelled on the rocks below?

Yeah right.

How does someone fall head-first if hung right-side up?

He fell headfirst to his death.

He was alive until he landed?

Thank you, morningstar2651.

I was starting to think there was no intelligent life here at all.

On Judas' suicide, there is no contradiction in God’s Word; a contradiction here is only in the minds of those who want a discrepancy.

SnowBear said:

The Odyssey and the Iliad were used by archeologists to find the lost city of Troy. By your reasoning this means that these myths are true.

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Don't you know that the Trojan war DID TAKE PLACE !

Troy was found because of the Illiad!

Fire said:

How does a body fall headfirst after it has been hanged from a tree?

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How did he hang himself?

morningstar2651 said:

How does someone fall head-first if hung right-side up?

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If he was on something and tied a rope around his nect and threw himself off it, he would go head-first. He would fall as far as the rope would allow, and the jolt might have split him open, or his intestines came out his bowels, split open.

Alternatively:
" There is no contradiction here at all because both are true. A contradiction occurs when one statement excludes the possibility of another. In fact, what happened here is that Judas went and hung himself and then his body later fell down and split open. In other words, the rope or branch of the tree probably broke due to the weight and his body fell down and his bowels spilled out.
Also, notice that Matt. 27:3-8 tells us specifically how Judas died, by hanging. Acts 1:16-19 merely tells us that he fell headlong and his bowels gushed out. Acts does not tell us that this is the means of his death where Matthew does."
http://www.carm.org/diff/Matt27_3.htm

Fire said:

Thank you, morningstar2651.

I was starting to think there was no intelligent life here at all.

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That includes yourself. Another frank admission!??

It's really, just, stupid to say: "How did he fall on his head? That's preposterous". I jumped from one branch to another and went around the branch, then began to fall. I landed on my upper back and broke my left arm. If the tree had been taller, I could have landed on my head or neck. If it had been really tall, maybe I would have done a 360 kickflip nosegrind to backside 540...sheesh.

Montalban said:

That includes yourself. Another frank admission!??

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Yeah, maybe you are right Montalban. Maybe I'll just leave you to the angel of light.

I can just hear Paul's explanation.

"Why didn't I tell you about the tree? It was a mystery of God."

Fire said:

Yeah, maybe you are right Montalban. Maybe I'll just leave you to the angel of light.

I can just hear Paul's explanation.

"Why didn't I tell you about the tree? It was a mystery of God."

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The being of light talks to you, not to me. But you're the one who seems to be confused about definitions of things; hence 'person' is not 'alive'. Or that 'killing' is the same as 'not killing' (re: Muhammed ordering his followers to kill being different from Abraham NOT killing his son)

I don't know if I agree with this article entirely, but they have an interesting argument

The Qu'ran says the Bible is not corrupt

The Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qu'ran is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be acording to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.
TORAH - "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).
PSALMS - "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms," (4:163).
GOSPEL - "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3).
Also, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah," (5:46).

We see that the Qu'ran states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qu'ran since the Qu'ran says that the Word of God cannot be altered:
"Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
"The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all," (6:115).
"For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity," (10:64).

When Muhammed (570 - 632) was alive, he claimed to receive the revelation of the Qu'ran from Allah. This means that at that time, the Bible which was in existence, could not have been corrupted because the Qu'ran states that God's word cannot be corrupted. The question I have for the Muslims is "When and where was the Bible corrupted, since the Qu'ran says that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are from Allah and Allah's words cannot be changed?"
http://www.carm.org/islam/Bibletokoran.htm