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Proof that Gay Relationships are Wrong

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AureateDawn

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I am not being inflammatory purposefully. I am very glad they love me and pray for me, as I them. Just because people disagree doesn't mean that that has to stop.

Also, I'm not so lonely anymore since I've made the decision.

It is an invitation to a great number of both physical and moral disorders.

The moral part you can believe. However, the "physical disorders" you claimed are simply untrue.

this thread is a joke. Justin wants attention and we're giving it to him. I'll pray for you.

At first the thread topic was just what it had said. But I was already headed on the path to make the decision I did, and now I am glad I did. And I can be close to God, a good Christian, and love God, still. It's not attention, honestly - just explaining myself as questions and posts arise.

But, good grief, you're 18, you probably shouldn't be dating anyway, so why is this coming up just now?

It's been years in the making.
 
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"You're perfectly free to your opinion" - you have a right to be wrong, but that doesn't make wrong right.

Our modern culture has deified freedom, so that we bow down and worship at its feet. We even have a massive idol to liberty in the NY harbor.

"Freedom of choice" overrules the evil of murdering 50 million unborn babies.

"Freedom of sexual orientation" justifies the spreading of the AIDS virus and other venereal diseases, lowering the birth rate to levels that cannot sustain our own population, even decimating the populations of entire countries in Africa.

"Freedom to get what I want and eat whatever I want" has created a generation of greedy, self-indulgent, lazy and obese people that willfully plunders the rest of the world to satisfy its appetites.

"Free medical care, free education" produces a society that is dependent upon the state rather than depending on God. It produces people who will continue voting into office politicians who promise more "Free, free, free," not realizing the logical impossibility of all this.

The only place we will discover true freedom is at the foot of the Cross, when we submit our stubborn will and ego to the will of God, expressed to us through Christ, His followers the Apostles and their followers the Church Fathers.
 
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but that's the thing, I don't know anyone who says that they are orthodox with any kind of fervor, but then say that they are okay with not taking Communion. I don't know people who say that they are Orthodox, but then willingly neglect the Church's teachings.

I mean, I am gonna say it again, and I hope others can testify to this too, but it is no cakewalk being straight and single and trying to be a Christian in America. those of us on the other side of the fence don't have it easy, when all the world and your hormones say that it is okay to have sex with a girlfriend or a hook up or whatever, just so that you use protection. our fallen sexuality is a struggle for all of us.

just something to think about, you might think it's hard because you want to live a certain way, God says no and the world says no. imagine how hard it is when you want to live a certain way, God says no and the world says yes.
 
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"Freedom of sexual orientation" justifies the spreading of the AIDS virus and other venereal diseases, lowering the birth rate to levels that cannot sustain our own population, even decimating the populations of entire countries in Africa.

LOL. Seriously? You believe that? Wow. (the rest is understandable though). But this... lol. Right. Let's ignore the fact that AIDS started with straight people and is NOT a gay disease, and the fact that we are growing too rapidly to sustain, and the fact that there are plenty of children who need adopted into loving homes, and the fact that gays have nothing to do with Africa.


I'd like to get Communion, but at last, I can't. And I know it is hard to be straight, too. Hell, I plan on going through what you are now. No sex til marriage. The guy I like views the same. We are both CHristian with good Christian morals.
 
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I'd like to get Communion, but at last, I can't

see, you say this like me saying I'd like to go to the movies today, but I can't because I don't have the money. this is not something to be said casually.

No sex til marriage.

marriage in the Church is only between a man and woman, so it sounds like you are gonna be Orthodox until you are ready to settle down.
 
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Well, I didn't mean, "Why at 18 and not earlier?" I mean, "Why now at 18 when you're almost certainly too young to be thinking about dating?" I suppose it has to bubble up sometime, though. But, you know, I feel that, at 25, I'm barely old enough to think about sex, marriage, dating, etc - and, accordingly, I didn't date in college. I realize everybody has different ideas and a different level of maturity etc etc etc, but it's something to consider that, well, at 18, perhaps this question should be moot until you're old enough that it's truly relevant.
 
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We are both CHristian with good Christian morals.

The word moral comes from the Latin word for custom. The word more shares this same root.

Mores 1 : the fixed morally binding customs of a particular group 2 : moral attitudes

Gay sex, same sex marriage and the sanctioning of those things have never had a place in Christianity, so they cannot be Christian morals. Morals are not just formed based on what we want. They come from a group's history, culture and perspectives.

Gay sex and same sex marriage are not based in Christian morality.

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Greg, sure I can. 4 states so far. And if it comes down to it, **** the government! We can have a commitment ceremony. because it's about love. Not law.

Not in God's eyes, where it really counts. Two becoming one happens only during the marriage ceremony, which takes place between a man and a woman in the sight of God and his people.
 
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Could I have quotes from the Fathers and the Scripture where homosexual relationships are blessed by God? You have been provided with plenty of quotes from Scripture and the Fathers but really, what did they know about anything, the people who wrote those things were only Saints. One cannot be Orthodox and just pick and choose what they want to. The Church says it's a sin we have to be obedient to what the Church says. We can't let pride overtake us and let us decide what is a sin and what is not, and what is right and what is not. If we make our own decisions about these issues and not listen to what the Church says then we are no better than the schismatics who pick and chose what they wanted and look what we have today, a million Protestant "denominations".

Greg, sure I can. 4 states so far. And if it comes down to it, **** the government! We can have a commitment ceremony. because it's about love. Not law.

You say **** the government but by making these choices your also saying **** the Church because you are going against what the Church is saying. Gay marriage can happen in the state but it will not in the Church.
 
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Keep in mind: when you cast off the teachings of the Church, you are casting off the Bride of Christ. And you cannot cast off the Bride without casting off the Bridegroom. Christ identifies with the Church so strongly that when He met Paul on the Damascus road on his way to persecute the church, he said, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"

Further, if you cast off the Bride and the Bridegroom, what comfort do you have in ever being saved? Maybe you can't see it, but your spiritual life is unraveling before you. And responding with smilies and glib retorts just makes you sound even more pitiable.

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I wrote earlier:
"Freedom of sexual orientation" justifies the spreading of the AIDS virus and other venereal diseases, lowering the birth rate to levels that cannot sustain our own population, even decimating the populations of entire countries in Africa.

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LOL. Seriously? You believe that? Wow. (the rest is understandable though). But this... lol. Right. Let's ignore the fact that AIDS started with straight people and is NOT a gay disease, and the fact that we are growing too rapidly to sustain, and the fact that there are plenty of children who need adopted into loving homes, and the fact that gays have nothing to do with Africa.

Yes, Justin, seriously. The AIDS pandemic first spread from Africa to Europe and the US in the 1970s via a homosexual airline steward who had sex in Africa with infected men. That's a documented fact. At first it spread fastest in the "gay" communities of San Francisco and other cities, then began to spread through the drug-addict communities because they shared needles, then was passed from bisexuals to women, and at present is being spread just as much by infected heterosexual men and women having promiscuous sex.

About the US birth rate: in order to sustain any population, a society must maintain a birth rate of at least 2.2 children per couple. Anything below that, and the population will decline. An ongoing birth rate below 1.8 is impossible to recover from. The US birth rate is below 2 children per couple, and the only thing holding the population up is immigration (legal and illegal).

The birth rate in Western Europe is about 1.8 children per couple, in France and Spain it's much lower, about 1.2. The only thing keeping their societies going is also immigration -- mostly from Muslim countries. These immigrants have a birth rate of about 5 children per married couple. (BTW, Muslims abhor homosexuality - they know it destroys society.) There are now more mosques in Western Europe including Britain than active Christian churches. If this trend continues, it is predicted that by 2040 or 2050, W. Europe will be predominantly Muslim.

Of course you don't want to believe this, because you are addicted to your homosexual behavior. Just like alcoholism, smoking and gluttony are addictive-compulsive behaviors, so are homosexual behavior and sexual promiscuity in general addictive-compulsive behaviors. You get hooked and it's almost impossible to stop... without God's help.

And you weren't even born yet when AIDS came to the US, so all you know about it is what has been happening in the last few years. But these are well-documented historical facts. Don't just listen to the lies your gay friends are telling you, check out the facts independently, by yourself.

About 20 years ago I was project leader on an insurance company's software system that processed $1 billion per year in medical claims. One of the highly-skilled consultants under me was a man from California who was gay. He was intelligent and knew his stuff as far as software consulting was concerned. But when he came out and told the rest of us he was gay (after putting a photo of his homosexual lover on his briefcase), all the other consultants shunned him and would hardly talk to him.

He and I would chat, and even had lunch together a few times. He told me he was a member of the "Metropolitan Community Church" that didn't believe the Bible contained anything against homosexuality. I showed him the Bible texts about sodomy, men doing with men what is unseemly, etc., but he had a pre-packaged rationalization that explained away those Bible passages.

So he continued on his way, we finished up the project and went our separate ways to different consulting projects. Later I came back to that insurance company to work, and asked about him: "Oh, he died of AIDS," they told me.

I've spent over 20 years, half of my working life, in foreign countries, most of that time in Russia. That country has the fastest AIDS growth rate of anywhere in the world, and the primary vectors of transmission are among the homosexual and illegal drug-user communities. Now, though, it is starting to spread among promiscuous heterosexuals. Interesting how history repeats itself! (And BTW, the birth rate among the slavic, Orthodox population is so low, below 2 kids per family, that by 2020 the majority of army recruits will be Muslim and soon afterward the majority of the whole country will be Muslim.)

You don't have to believe that the earliest and still one of the main vectors of spreading AIDS is homosexual behavior, Justin. But it's the true, well-documented fact. Denying it and sticking your head in the sand won't make it go away. What you don't know, or refuse to recognize as truth, can KILL you!
 
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AIDS in this discussion with Justin is a red herring:

1) You can be a sexually active gay person and not get HIV/AIDS.
2) AIDS is not a gay disease. AIDS does not discriminate. People who have never had any kind of sex get AIDS.
3) Having AIDS will not keep you out of the kingdom. Unrepentant, homosexual activity will.
4) AIDS kills the body but not the soul. Justin should fear the One who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." --Matthew 10:28
 
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this is why handmaiden (I think) was talking about when she was against modernism. modern Western Christianity wants nothing to do with the Cross. modern Christians want nothing to do with struggle, which is why our world is so broken. we embrace things that are against Christianity, and still think of ourselves as Christian. Christ tells us Himself that many will say Lord, Lord in the end and He will say depart from me I never knew you. because it is he who does the will of the Father who comes into the Kingdom.

see, what you are doing is conforming God to you, rather than the other way around. there is zero evidence anywhere from Scripture or Christian history that homosexuality is good behavior. so what you are doing is taking the parts of Christianity that you like, then throwing away the parts that you don't like. you are conforming God to you, instead of you to God. your desires are defining Him.

God is not some buffet where you get to pick and chose.
 
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The talk about AIDS and using it as a scare tactic made me LOL.

Everything else you guys are saying is just over and over again. You are taking the Fathers and such as the only source for info. So, of course, according to you, there is no evidence. But I don't believe that that is the only source of Truth and authority any more. You call can talk til you are blue in the face, but I care about myself now, and happy, and, guess what, STILL close to God. I am having to entirely change my way of thinking, which is weird, having been indoctrinated in Orthodoxy for so long. You all are showing that mindset. And that's fine. I'm just saying that I am working out of it.
 
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Ah the all important "I" the ego, Narcissus's downfall, and the devil's fatal flaw. You can't be alright with God if Justin comes first. He who has himself as a guide, is led by a fool. When you follow your own desires, and then find that you are just as depressed and unhappy, then what or who will you turn to? Drugs? Alcohol? A good stout rope?
We don't want to see that happen to you, we love you in a way that surpasses your wildest imaginations. May St. Justina interceed for you, her prayers saved the most ardent worshipper of false gods may she help you overcome the false god of the ego.
 
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You're basically asking us to give you proof but any logical proof you won't accept. That makes no sense whatsoever. Everyone here is trying to help and you act like they're attacking you. You should be grateful so many people are still putting up with this and are still willing to help, and should probably take a lesson from people much more learned than you.
 
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