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Proof against abiogenesis/evolution -- affirmative proof of God
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<blockquote data-quote="Wiccan_Child" data-source="post: 47869554" data-attributes="member: 104966"><p>Intuition is woefully poor at explaining the universe. We have a much more rigorous art: mathematics.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, this is not one of them: the Second Law does <strong>not</strong> apply to everything. You may has well say that classical mechanics applies to subatomic particles, or the theory of abiogenesis applies to automobile manufacturing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, they do not. The Second Law was <strong>derived</strong> by analysing a particular system: namely, thermodynamically closed ones. If you want to see a derivation, <em>finish those thermodynamics classes.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>An extrapolation that makes absolutely no sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Another false claim. This can be empiracally <em>disproved</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Urgh. As we <strong>all</strong> explained before, an <em>approximately</em> closed system will <em>approximately</em> follow the Second Law. Not exactly, and there is every possibility that that small 'leak' in the system is sufficient to cause entropy <em>decrease</em>. Furthermore, this corollary only works on systems that are <em><strong>approximately closed</strong></em>. Those that are as open as you can get (the lithospheric plates, for example, or biological systems) follow no such law!</p><p></p><p>Good gods.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You can kick and scream all you want. It has been <strong>proven</strong>. What you are suggesting is that entropy <em>always</em> increases in <em>every</em> system. That's just... stupid!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolute BS. Energy input is <em>exactly</em> what is required to make abiogenesis occur: it allows the system to <em>decrease</em> its entropy.</p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite4" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":mad:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wiccan_Child, post: 47869554, member: 104966"] Intuition is woefully poor at explaining the universe. We have a much more rigorous art: mathematics. Unfortunately, this is not one of them: the Second Law does [B]not[/B] apply to everything. You may has well say that classical mechanics applies to subatomic particles, or the theory of abiogenesis applies to automobile manufacturing. No, they do not. The Second Law was [B]derived[/B] by analysing a particular system: namely, thermodynamically closed ones. If you want to see a derivation, [I]finish those thermodynamics classes.[/I] An extrapolation that makes absolutely no sense. Another false claim. This can be empiracally [I]disproved[/I]. Urgh. As we [B]all[/B] explained before, an [I]approximately[/I] closed system will [I]approximately[/I] follow the Second Law. Not exactly, and there is every possibility that that small 'leak' in the system is sufficient to cause entropy [I]decrease[/I]. Furthermore, this corollary only works on systems that are [I][B]approximately closed[/B][/I]. Those that are as open as you can get (the lithospheric plates, for example, or biological systems) follow no such law! Good gods. You can kick and scream all you want. It has been [B]proven[/B]. What you are suggesting is that entropy [I]always[/I] increases in [I]every[/I] system. That's just... stupid! Absolute BS. Energy input is [I]exactly[/I] what is required to make abiogenesis occur: it allows the system to [I]decrease[/I] its entropy. :mad: [/QUOTE]
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