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ardipithecus · Feb 16, 2003

The National Center for Science Education got over 200 scientists to agree the following statement.

Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools.

That is not many scientists you say?  Well it gets better.  Every scientist who was asked to support the statement was named Steve (or an equivalent).  As they represent about a percent of the population, it is only reasonable to assume that at least twenty thousand scientists would have supported the statement.  But that is too low since the statement was quitely circulated to only a few people and was only announced on Sunday February 16.    The supporters include two Nobel Prize winners for science and eight members of the National Academy of Sciences.    About two-thirds are biologists and thus more biologists named Steve suppored this statement than the Discovery Institute could find of any name to support its rather vague statement.

Read more about it here.

Jerry Smith · Feb 17, 2003

ardipithecus.. awesome.. I love it.

Deadroth · Feb 17, 2003

euphoric · Feb 17, 2003

Now that's funny.  They should turn their attention to competing with ICR's ridiculous statement of faith.  Except this time use the name Abraham Watkins.

-brett

Chuck_Darwin · Feb 17, 2003

I bet alot of scientist wish there names were Steve now.

webboffin · Feb 18, 2003

200 out of how many?

Zadok001 · Feb 18, 2003

200 out of a test set of 200, all of which are scientists named "Steve." 100%. Obviously, this isn't fully generalizable, since scientists exist that would not agree to this statement. However, we can safely say that this evidence strong supports the claim that evolution is accepted almost universally.

ocean · Feb 18, 2003

Evolution is accepted by everyone except religious fanatics.

(Their names aren't really Steve, they were just using the name "Steve" to prove a point)

Jerry Smith · Feb 18, 2003

Today at 10:46 AM ocean said this in Post #8

Evolution is accepted by everyone except religious fanatics.

(Their names aren't really Steve, they were just using the name "Steve" to prove a point)

No, ocean -- the ones signing this statement were all Steve's or some variant thereof. That was the point. You can get more scientists named Steve to sign something that clearly supports evolution than you can get scientists by any name to support a dubiously worded statement of "skepticism" about "natural selection and random mutation alone"...

ardipithecus · Feb 18, 2003

Yesterday at 03:46 PM ocean said this in Post #8

Evolution is accepted by everyone except religious fanatics.

(Their names aren't really Steve, they were just using the name "Steve" to prove a point)

As Jerry pointed out, their names really are Steves (and variants of Steve like Stephanie). 

If an organization could only find 200 pro-evolution scientists than the creationists might have had a point.  With Steve (and variants) being only one percent of the population and the list being Steves being collected in secret (until Sunday) this list makes it clear that the support of evolution is numbered tens of thousands (if not more) and that it is far stronger than the support from the evolution denier lists that only have a handful of Steves.

Arikay · Feb 19, 2003

Hehe, thats funny. Me like.

webboffin · Feb 19, 2003

nice to know any of those who don't support evolution are labelled religious fanatics

euphoric · Feb 19, 2003

Today at 03:13 PM webboffin said this in Post #12

nice to know any of those who don't support evolution are labelled religious fanatics

Well, what other terms should we use for people who twist and contort reality to agree with their particular interpretation of Genesis?

-brett

lucaspa · Feb 19, 2003

Today at 10:13 AM webboffin said this in Post #12

nice to know any of those who don't support evolution are labelled religious fanatics

Isn't that better than calling them "perverse"?  Supposedly ARN has an agnostic, but somehow he is never identified. C'mon, weboffin, point out to us some agnostics and atheists who support creationism.

Micaiah · Feb 19, 2003

Personally I'd like to see discussion on origins left out of the public education system. I suggest that if young fertile minds are able to grasp the beauty and wonder of Creation without being stifled by evolutionist dogma, they will naturally recognise the hand of their Creator.

wblastyn · Feb 19, 2003

Personally I'd like to see discussion on origins left out of the public education system. I suggest that if young fertile minds are able to grasp the beauty and wonder of Creation without being stifled by evolutionist dogma, they will naturally recognise the hand of their Creator.

Yes, until they decide they want a degree in biology and find out evolution actually does happen. Oops, then they'll assume Genesis is a lie and therefore the rest of the Bible are lies too and drop their religion, because it contradicts the only interpertation of Genesis that they have been taught.

Arikay · Feb 19, 2003

What evolutionist dogma is being taught?

Today at 09:32 AM Micaiah said this in Post #15 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=662758#post662758)

Personally I'd like to see discussion on origins left out of the public education system. I suggest that if young fertile minds are able to grasp the beauty and wonder of Creation without being stifled by evolutionist dogma, they will naturally recognise the hand of their Creator.

LadyShea · Feb 19, 2003

Today at 07:13 AM webboffin said this in Post #12

nice to know any of those who don't support evolution are labelled religious fanatics

Well...if the label fits

notto · Feb 19, 2003

Yesterday at 05:32 PM Micaiah said this in Post #15 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=662758#post662758)

Personally I'd like to see discussion on origins left out of the public education system. I suggest that if young fertile minds are able to grasp the beauty and wonder of Creation without being stifled by evolutionist dogma, they will naturally recognise the hand of their Creator.

Evolution can show them the hand of their creator just fine. No need to deny them of the beauty that is reality.

CommonAncestor · Feb 19, 2003

Personally I'd like to see discussion on origins left out of the public education system. I suggest that if young fertile minds are able to grasp the beauty and wonder of Evolution without being stifled by religious dogma, they will naturally recognise the hand of their creator.

I totally agree

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