Problems with Heliocentrism

I'm_Sorry · Mar 29, 2017

PsychoSarah said:
Hypnosis only works on a minority of people, and hallucinogens do not provide reliable results.

Its all in the mind and spirit.

What does TV do to your brain activity, what state does it put you in?

I'm_Sorry · Mar 29, 2017

satan is watching and waiting for your minds eye to enter into his domain without protection.

HitchSlap · Mar 29, 2017

I'm_Sorry said:
satan is watching and waiting for your minds eye to enter into his domain without protection.

Speaking of hallucinogenic drugs and paranoia, ... when's the ... last time ... you took ...

oh, nvm (it's obvious)

Skreeper · Mar 29, 2017

I'm_Sorry said:
satan is watching and waiting for your minds eye to enter into his domain without protection.

Do not worry! One day you too will be touched by his noodly appendages.

I'm_Sorry · Mar 29, 2017

Skreeper said:
Do not worry! One day you too will be touched by his noodly appendages.

HitchSlap said:
Speaking of hallucinogenic drugs and paranoia, ... when's the ... last time ... you took ...
oh, nvm (it's obvious)

You don't believe in Jesus. So you wont understand what satan and the fallen are.

I'm_Sorry · Mar 29, 2017

Buy hey just ignore the scientific studies of brain activity when watching TV.

Or the science of hypnosis.

HitchSlap · Mar 29, 2017

I'm_Sorry said:
You don't believe in Jesus. So you wont understand what satan and the fallen are.

Your opinion stinks.

HitchSlap · Mar 29, 2017

I'm_Sorry said:
Buy hey just ignore the scientific studies of brain activity when watching TV.

Or the science of hypnosis.

Oh, this is true.

lesliedellow · Mar 29, 2017

I'm_Sorry said:
J.R. TOLKIEN, C.S. LEWIS, THE INKLINGS, NARNIA & THE GOLDEN DAWN-PART 1
By Dr. Scott Johnson | April 6, 2008

J.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, The Inklings, Narnia & the Golden Dawn-Part 1
4/6/2008

In this teaching we will start out by first discussing many of the occult details and facts regarding both J.R. Tolkien’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ books/movies and then C.S. Lewis’s ‘Narnia’ books/movies.

During the 1930’s to 1940’s both Tolkien and Lewis were part of an informal literary discussion group associated with the ‘University of Oxford’ & known as the “Inklings”. C. S. Lewis called Charles Williams (Fellow “Inkling”, specialist in Tarot and Kabbalah & a man whose mind was steeped in occult rituals and demonic forces) ‘his dearest friend.’ This close friendship made a large impact on Lewis and his writings. C. S. Lewis wrote of Williams poems: ‘They seem to me… for their profound wisdom, to be among the two or three most valuable books of verse produced in the century.’ Charles Williams was also a member of the ‘Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn’.

There are many that assert that both Tolkien and Lewis were closet members of the Golden Dawn. The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was a amalgamation of Freemasonry (Babylonian mystery religions), Theosophy (An Satanic/occult religious philosophy combined with metaphysics, started by a high level witch named H. P. Blavatsky), Eliphas Levi’s Teachings (A high level black magic occultist), Enochian Magic (an elaborate system of advanced, Satanic, ceremonial magic), The Kabbalah (The highest level of Jewish witchcraft) and medieval grimoire (a manual of black magic for invoking spirits and demons). Regarding the Order of the Golden Dawn, among its first initiates was a coroner who allegedly performed necromantic rites, while another early member was black magician Aleister Crowley, the self styled Great Beast/666.

J.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, The Inklings, Narnia & the Golden Dawn-Part 1 – Contending for Truth

Somebody who finds a satanist, occultist or government sponsored conspirator, around every street corner, is not exactly easy to take seriously.

Sorry.

HitchSlap · Mar 29, 2017

Skreeper said:
Do not worry! One day you too will be touched by his noodly appendages.

Maybe one day he'll feel the power of his marinara stained noodle.

I'm_Sorry · Mar 29, 2017

HitchSlap said:
Maybe one day he'll feel the power of his marinara stained noodle.

What ever the case I know one day you will stop breathing and reside in nothingness.

What is nothing?

HitchSlap · Mar 29, 2017

I'm_Sorry said:
What ever the case I know one day you will stop breathing and reside in nothingness.

What is nothing?

And maybe one day you'll stop using paranoid, conspiracy fueled euphemisms.

ViaCrucis · Mar 29, 2017

I'm_Sorry said:
satan is watching and waiting for your minds eye to enter into his domain without protection.

I'm a Christian, I don't believe in "the mind's eye" or magick or the occult.

I find it supremely ironic that you do, apparently, believe in the occult and in mystical esoteric powers.

There's a reason why the Christian Church regarded belief in witchcraft and witches superstitious heresy for most of history: because it is.

To believe in wizards, witches, and magick is heretical; and to assign so much power and authority to a mere fallen creature--the devil--is blasphemous.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis · Mar 29, 2017

"It is also not to be omitted that some unconstrained women, perverted by Satan, seduced by illusions and phantasms of demons, believe and openly profess that, in the dead of night, they ride upon certain beasts with the pagan goddess Diana, with a countless horde of women, and in the silence of the dead of the night to fly over vast tracts of country, and to obey her commands as their mistress, and to be summoned to her service on other nights. But it were well if they alone perished in their infidelity and did not draw so many others into the pit of their faithlessness. For an innumerable multitude, deceived by this false opinion, believe this to be true and, so believing, wander from the right faith and relapse into pagan errors when they think that there is any divinity or power except the one God." - From the Canon Episcopi, variously attributed to various regional synods but which nevertheless was maintained as the standard and official view of the Church in the middle ages.

Notice that it calls this a "false opinion"--those who believe that women are somehow doing any of this, these "flights of Diana" are regarded as delusions, happening entirely in the imagination; these delusions are attributed to the devil but that is all they remain: delusions, nothing has actually happened beyond the imagination. And what is far more dangerous than some women believing these delusions is that there are those, in the Church, believing them and thus thinking "that there is any divinity or power except the one God"; to assign to the devil, or to a pagan deity, such power is to claim that that the devils have actual, real power that rivals even God Himself. This is rejected as express heresy and those who maintain these positions are, "beyond a doubt an infidel."

Canon Episcopi
Canon Episcopi - Wikipedia

The Franks, including Charlemagne, put into effect civil laws in agreement with ecclesiastical law which forbade belief in witches and witchcraft, and in particular, witch-hunting; anyone who hunts and kills someone accused of being a witch was to be put to death for murder.

Such views only change at the very end of the medieval period with the publication of the Malleus Maleficarum which sought to defend belief in witches and witchcraft as an orthodox, rather than heretical, position; and it is only following this that churchmen begin to permit, and indeed, accept the claims of witches and witchcraft as anything more than pure delusion and superstition. Which is why witch hunts and witch trials are a feature of the modern age, not the medieval age. The most famous of these happening in North America, in Salem.

-CryptoLutheran

I'm_Sorry · Mar 29, 2017

ViaCrucis said:
I'm a Christian, I don't believe in "the mind's eye" or magick or the occult.

I find it supremely ironic that you do, apparently, believe in the occult and in mystical esoteric powers.

There's a reason why the Christian Church regarded belief in witchcraft and witches superstitious heresy for most of history: because it is.

To believe in wizards, witches, and magick is heretical; and to assign so much power and authority to a mere fallen creature--the devil--is blasphemous.

-CryptoLutheran

I completely disagree.

You have no idea.

Jimmy D · Mar 30, 2017

I'm_Sorry said:
I completely disagree.

You have no idea.

Does it never occur to you that you might be mistaken, and perhaps a tiny bit paranoid?

Skreeper · Mar 30, 2017

I'm_Sorry said:
What ever the case I know one day you will stop breathing and reside in nothingness.

As will you so at least we have something in common.

Steve Petersen · Mar 30, 2017

'Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. [1 Timothy 1.7]' - St. Augustine, De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim

FreeinChrist · Mar 30, 2017

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