Preterist/Futurist & Partial Preterism?

readywriter · Mar 12, 2022

'Preterist' means past in fulfillment, and 'Futurist' means future in fulfillment. Preterist basically means the opposite of Futurist. Futurists believe most end-time prophecies (especially the big three events - the Second Coming, Resurrection, and Judgment) are yet to be fulfilled.

Partial Preterism is the belief that part of the Revelation record has occurred and part is yet to come. Partial preterists believe that the prophecies in Daniel, in Matthew chapter 24, and in Revelation (excepting the last few chapters) have already come to pass, having been fulfilled during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70,

Hello there,

Which of these three categories do you fit into?

Having never considered my beliefs in the light of these categories, I am not in a position to answer this question myself at the moment, needing to consider the prophecies, and their fulfilment, and possible partial fulfilment carefully before answering: but would value your thoughts on these things.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

HTacianas · Mar 12, 2022

readywriter said:
'Preterist' means past in fulfillment, and 'Futurist' means future in fulfillment. Preterist basically means the opposite of Futurist. Futurists believe most end-time prophecies (especially the big three events - the Second Coming, Resurrection, and Judgment) are yet to be fulfilled.

Partial Preterism is the belief that part of the Revelation record has occurred and part is yet to come. Partial preterists believe that the prophecies in Daniel, in Matthew chapter 24, and in Revelation (excepting the last few chapters) have already come to pass, having been fulfilled during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70,

Hello there,

Which of these three categories do you fit into?

Having never considered my beliefs in the light of these categories, I am not in a position to answer this question myself at the moment, needing to consider the prophecies, and their fulfilment, and possible partial fulfilment carefully before answering: but would value your thoughts on these things.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Based on the choices you give, Partial Preterism. I believe that the events of the Revelation -at least those described as occurring on the earth- have already passed. As to the book of Daniel, I see only one very small part of it of any value. The abomination of desolation as mentioned in the new testament refers to an event that would happen again. That's the reason for the caveat "let the reader understand".

trophy33 · Mar 12, 2022

To me, preterism seems to be the most simple reading of the New Testament without a need to insert something into the text.

It also seems to best fit the specific genres of the text (symbolic language to be symbolic etc.)

Guojing · Mar 12, 2022

readywriter said:
'Preterist' means past in fulfillment, and 'Futurist' means future in fulfillment. Preterist basically means the opposite of Futurist. Futurists believe most end-time prophecies (especially the big three events - the Second Coming, Resurrection, and Judgment) are yet to be fulfilled.

Partial Preterism is the belief that part of the Revelation record has occurred and part is yet to come. Partial preterists believe that the prophecies in Daniel, in Matthew chapter 24, and in Revelation (excepting the last few chapters) have already come to pass, having been fulfilled during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70,

Hello there,

Which of these three categories do you fit into?

Having never considered my beliefs in the light of these categories, I am not in a position to answer this question myself at the moment, needing to consider the prophecies, and their fulfilment, and possible partial fulfilment carefully before answering: but would value your thoughts on these things.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Dispensationalists will naturally be Futurist, more specifically, they subscribe to the Pre-Tribulation rapture.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 12, 2022

readywriter said:
'Preterist' means past in fulfillment, and 'Futurist' means future in fulfillment. Preterist basically means the opposite of Futurist. Futurists believe most end-time prophecies (especially the big three events - the Second Coming, Resurrection, and Judgment) are yet to be fulfilled.

Partial Preterism is the belief that part of the Revelation record has occurred and part is yet to come. Partial preterists believe that the prophecies in Daniel, in Matthew chapter 24, and in Revelation (excepting the last few chapters) have already come to pass, having been fulfilled during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70,

Hello there,

Which of these three categories do you fit into?

Having never considered my beliefs in the light of these categories, I am not in a position to answer this question myself at the moment, needing to consider the prophecies, and their fulfilment, and possible partial fulfilment carefully before answering: but would value your thoughts on these things.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I'm a parallel interpreter of the scriptures.

For example, in terms of preterism, there's a distinct possibility that prophecies were fulfilled in the days of the Roman Empire. However, there is no concrete evidence remaining. Also, the sky hasn't opened up to reveal God, so that prophecy didn't happen yet.

Furthermore, scripture patterns are illustrated in news events, so examining them is necessary too. Even if these instances are "ripples" of stone falling in said pond, and not the "stone" itself.

I examine the possibilities, and tend to come off as a futurist, since there is more to discuss in the here and now.

Also important to note, I tend to note parallels between church history and the histories of Israel and Judah, since it seems quite relevant in this age.

3 Resurrections · Mar 12, 2022

Like the poem about "The Blind Men and the Elephant", each of the different camps of eschatology is correct in some respects, and in error on others. It remains for the diligent student of scripture to determine which is which.

Dispensationalism is correct that God has dealt with humanity in different phases throughout history, which Larkin's well-known charts correctly determined to be 7 distinct ages (which I believe were to be a literal thousand years each, a reflection of the original pattern of a complete 7-day creation week, with each day representing a separate thousand-year epoch). They are correct on a "rapture" event taking place, but it would be one which would only include individuals resurrected to life from the dead.

Partial Preterism is correct that there is much fulfilled prophecy which took place in the first century, and that there will be a future return of Christ. But they are in error that Christ did not fulfill His promise to come back before the disciples had personally finished going through all the cities of Israel.

Full Preterism is correct that Christ returned in the AD 70 year, and that the tragedies of Revelation were fulfilled back then. But they mistakenly believe this return was only a symbolic, spiritual one, and that the resurrection was only a spiritual one as well (which scripture refutes).

The only way to reconcile all the correct views of these differing paradigms with each other is to acknowledge that there was not only a second bodily coming of Christ in the past and a bodily resurrection at that time, but that scripture teaches that there will also be a third coming of Christ in our future and a final bodily resurrection for the saints. It's not a choice of "either / or"; it's a "both / and" kind of paradigm.

readywriter · Mar 12, 2022

@HTacianas
@myst33
@Guojing
@Michael Collum
@3 Resurrections

Hello there,

Thank you for contributing.

I do believe that The Second Coming of Christ Jesus our risen Lord, the Resurrection of the dead and the final Judgment have yet to be fulfilled, so that places me in the Futurist camp.

What is said in the OP regarding Partial Preterists believing that the prophecies in Daniel, in Matthew chapter 24, and in Revelation (excepting the last few chapters) having already come to pass, fulfilled during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70 is what I shall look into now.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

HTacianas · Mar 12, 2022

readywriter said:
@HTacianas
@myst33
@Guojing
@Michael Collum
@3 Resurrections

Hello there,

Thank you for contributing.

I do believe that The Second Coming of Christ Jesus our risen Lord, the Resurrection of the dead and the final Judgment have yet to be fulfilled, so that places me in the Futurist camp.

What is said in the OP regarding Partial Preterists believing that the prophecies in Daniel, in Matthew chapter 24, and in Revelation (excepting the last few chapters) having already come to pass, fulfilled during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70 is what I shall look into now.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I'm glad you're open minded about it. But don't be surprised when you find men seeking death for five months and not finding it, seas turning to blood, hundred pound hailstones, fire falling from heaven in the sight of men, men killed with the beasts of the earth, and a lot of other such things that happened in those days.

For example, read Revelation 9 with this image in mind:

Davy · Apr 18, 2022

readywriter said:
Which of these three categories do you fit into?

NONE OF THEM, and I thank God. Those are just MEN'S CATEGORIES, NOT GOD'S.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for even a Preterist to NOT believe there is still prophecy that is yet to be fulfilled in the FUTURE. So does that make them a Futurist? No.

The labels Preterism, Historicism, and Futurism comes from seminary doctrines of men; they love to create categories for their own enjoyment. God did no such thing in His Word, but even warned His faithful saints against those 'leaven' doctrines of men (Mark 8:15-21).

If one sticks to what God's written Word actually teaches, then it will confuse... those who try to play those categorization ideas by men's leaven doctrines. At some point, I've been called all 3 categories, and offer somewhat of an enigma to those leaven doctrine gamers who try to figure out my Biblical stance. What a JOKE they are, because all one need do is STAY with God's Word as written, and THAT is all the stance one needs. And God and one make a MAJORITY! But they don't adhere to that stance in God's written Word, but instead play games to see how much they can 'fragment' God's written Word, and make their own religion out of that.

readywriter · Apr 19, 2022

Davy said:
NONE OF THEM, and I thank God. Those are just MEN'S CATEGORIES, NOT GOD'S.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for even a Preterist to NOT believe there is still prophecy that is yet to be fulfilled in the FUTURE. So does that make them a Futurist? No.

The labels Preterism, Historicism, and Futurism comes from seminary doctrines of men; they love to create categories for their own enjoyment. God did no such thing in His Word, but even warned His faithful saints against those 'leaven' doctrines of men (Mark 8:15-21).

If one sticks to what God's written Word actually teaches, then it will confuse... those who try to play those categorization ideas by men's leaven doctrines. At some point, I've been called all 3 categories, and offer somewhat of an enigma to those leaven doctrine gamers who try to figure out my Biblical stance. What a JOKE they are, because all one need do is STAY with God's Word as written, and THAT is all the stance one needs. And God and one make a MAJORITY! But they don't adhere to that stance in God's written Word, but instead play games to see how much they can 'fragment' God's written Word, and make their own religion out of that.

Hello @Davy,

Yes, God's written word must be the arbiter on all that is written between it's pages prophetically: as to what is written, and the time of it's fulfilment.

Thank you for your input
In Christ Jesus
Chris

BPPLEE · Apr 19, 2022

readywriter said:
'Preterist' means past in fulfillment, and 'Futurist' means future in fulfillment. Preterist basically means the opposite of Futurist. Futurists believe most end-time prophecies (especially the big three events - the Second Coming, Resurrection, and Judgment) are yet to be fulfilled.

Partial Preterism is the belief that part of the Revelation record has occurred and part is yet to come. Partial preterists believe that the prophecies in Daniel, in Matthew chapter 24, and in Revelation (excepting the last few chapters) have already come to pass, having been fulfilled during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70,

Hello there,

Which of these three categories do you fit into?

Having never considered my beliefs in the light of these categories, I am not in a position to answer this question myself at the moment, needing to consider the prophecies, and their fulfilment, and possible partial fulfilment carefully before answering: but would value your thoughts on these things.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Preterism makes a good case until you get to Revelation then it makes no sense. What was the mark of the beast and when were people not allowed to buy and sell without it? Who were the beast and the false prophet and when was the beast killed and he came back to life? When was the whole world under one leader? Who were the two witnesses who could do miracles? And on and on

BPPLEE · Apr 25, 2022

readywriter said:
'Preterist' means past in fulfillment, and 'Futurist' means future in fulfillment. Preterist basically means the opposite of Futurist. Futurists believe most end-time prophecies (especially the big three events - the Second Coming, Resurrection, and Judgment) are yet to be fulfilled.

Partial Preterism is the belief that part of the Revelation record has occurred and part is yet to come. Partial preterists believe that the prophecies in Daniel, in Matthew chapter 24, and in Revelation (excepting the last few chapters) have already come to pass, having been fulfilled during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70,

Hello there,

Which of these three categories do you fit into?

Having never considered my beliefs in the light of these categories, I am not in a position to answer this question myself at the moment, needing to consider the prophecies, and their fulfilment, and possible partial fulfilment carefully before answering: but would value your thoughts on these things.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I think preterism makes a pretty good case until you get to Revelation. When was the world under one leader? When did he die and then recover? Who were the beast and the false prophet? What was the mark of the beast and when were people killed who didn't take it? Who were the two witnesses who had miraculous powers? Revelation 20 makes it clear there will be a millenial kingdom on earth for 1000 years

Christian Gedge · Apr 28, 2022

readywriter said:
Which of these three categories do you fit into?

Category four. I’m a partial, part-pret.

EclipseEventSigns · Jun 29, 2022

Michael Collum said:
I'm a parallel interpreter of the scriptures.

For example, in terms of preterism, there's a distinct possibility that prophecies were fulfilled in the days of the Roman Empire. However, there is no concrete evidence remaining. Also, the sky hasn't opened up to reveal God, so that prophecy didn't happen yet.

Furthermore, scripture patterns are illustrated in news events, so examining them is necessary too. Even if these instances are "ripples" of stone falling in said pond, and not the "stone" itself.

I examine the possibilities, and tend to come off as a futurist, since there is more to discuss in the here and now.

Also important to note, I tend to note parallels between church history and the histories of Israel and Judah, since it seems quite relevant in this age.

That's going in the right direction. Those from a Western (Greek) mindset consider history linearly. Those of a Jewish (or more broadly, middle eastern or Asian) mindset think of history in cycles. This is why prophecy seems to have been fulfilled and yet have a future fulfillment as well.

Gregory Thompson · Jun 29, 2022

EclipseEventSigns said:
That's going in the right direction. Those from a Western (Greek) mindset consider history linearly. Those of a Jewish (or more broadly, middle eastern or Asian) mindset think of history in cycles. This is why prophecy seems to have been fulfilled and yet have a future fulfillment as well.

yes, the ripple effect.

Who can say if now is a ripple, or it is when the stone was dropped in the pond? And the past was a ripple, foreshadowing something else to come that is now just happening.

EclipseEventSigns · Jun 29, 2022

Michael Collum said:
yes, the ripple effect.

Who can say if now is a ripple, or it is when the stone was dropped in the pond? And the past was a ripple, foreshadowing something else to come that is now just happening.

Actually, no, not anything to do with ripples. I said cycles. And that's the way God has written history.

Gregory Thompson · Jun 29, 2022

EclipseEventSigns said:
Actually, no, not anything to do with ripples. I said cycles. And that's the way God has written history.

a ripple is a circle, and so is a cycle.

thinking in metaphors is a necessary discipline sometimes.

EclipseEventSigns · Jun 29, 2022

Again, a ripple is NOT a cycle. A ripple consists of a large initial event with echoes happening later. A cycle is a recurring event which has a greater or lesser similarity to the initial event. Big difference.

Gregory Thompson · Jun 29, 2022

EclipseEventSigns said:
Again, a ripple is NOT a cycle. A ripple consists of a large initial event with echoes happening later. A cycle is a recurring event which has a greater or lesser similarity to the initial event. Big difference.

Not really, depends on how you look at it.

Since we see it differently, there's not much more to discuss on such a minor issue.

EclipseEventSigns · Jun 29, 2022

Definitions are important. They are not the same. If you don't want to admit it, fine. Just know that what you believe is not according to commonly understood definition.

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