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How does one earn a free gift?Why would God create humans in order to juggle them around into those predestined and those who are not— doesn't make any sense. The only sensible part of God's creation rests in His generosity to share. But to attain this reward we must earn it and not sit around and wonder if we are picked or not……..one would feel like puppet……
Puppets is an apt word. The problem is you are thinking with human logic even your example here shows this.
I don't see an elephant on the table. God does what God does I do not have a right to question his reasons, that has already been explained to you but you just keep going on and on like a broken record.
Yes, when you use the word everything it must include everything.
Your question has been directly acknowledged. I gave 2 references to scripture why I will not answer it in the way you want me to. If you have a problem with that it is your problem not mine. The next problem is you keep harping on about it. I went shopping yesterday and there was a young mother with her children. At the very front of the store is chocolates and the kids wanted some, she said no. They kept harping on about it all the way around the shop. By the end the kids were crying because she stuck to her guns. Guess what, I'm sticking to my guns. You can either accept the answer you have been given and stop harping on about it or you can be like the kids I saw yesterday and end up getting very upset that things are not going the way you want. The choice is yours.
The choice is yours, God is not making you behave the way you are behaving. Stop blaming God. Square circles is fiction solid liquid is reality, you have heard of ice haven't you?The choice isn't mine...the choice is God's. If everything means everything, using the logic that I don't have and yet has been presented to me, then I might as well include square circles and solid liquid.
God wants all kinds of men to be saved, not just Israel.
Men choose what is in their nature to choose - good or evil.
God chooses (elects) to be graceful and have mercy on a remnant.
A statement wherein all mankind actually does mean each and every human individual, would be : All mankind sufferers the consequence of Adam's sin.
Nice try but you ignore that last verse I posted which is why all you excuses above are meaningless.
John 10 : 28-29
28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any pluck them out of mine hand.
29 My Father which gave them me, is greater than all, and none is able to take them out of my Father’s hand.
The fact is Christ died for our sins past, present and future. Or do you not comprehend Christ died for ALL of our sins?
1 Corinthians 15:2-41599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
2 And whereby ye are saved, if ye keep in memory, after what manner I preached it unto you, except ye have believed in vain.
3 For first of all, I delivered unto you that which I received, how that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures,
1 Peter 2:241599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his body on the tree, that we being dead to sin, should live in righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 Peter 3:181599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, and was put to death concerning the flesh, but was quickened by the spirit.
So which sins didn't Christ die for?
Interpreters fall into two categories: those who seek to interpret the passage objectively with respect for the original meaning of the authors, and those who have an agenda. I have no agenda how about you?
How does one earn a free gift?
Ephesians 2:7-91599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
7 That he might show in the ages to come the exceeding riches of his grace through his kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God,
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast himself.
The choice isn't mine...the choice is God's. If everything means everything, using the logic that I don't have and yet has been presented to me, then I might as well include square circles and solid liquid.
Yes but,...Yes, God wants all men/mankind to be saved.
Yes, all mankind suffers the consequences of Adam's sin.
But, every person is given the free will to choose good or evil.
Since Jesus' death, the Israelites who chose/choose to believe in Jesus Christ are the remnant Israelites who were prophesied to be given mercy.
Jesus Christ has mercy on every person who chooses to serve Him. Makes no difference what tribe or nation he is from.
Acts 10:34-35
And Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I perceive that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. rsv
Regarding the difference of having it or not.So you believe that you are one of God's chosen? And that nothing you do will make any difference at all regarding your salvation?
No person is saved by ANY of their own works.Paul is writing about the works of the Law of Moses. No person is saved by doing the works of the Law of Moses.
There are several Christians pointing out the biblical truth you choose to ignore in favor of your church doctrine.I have no agenda except to seek and know truth.
There is nothing in that verse about Moses law and it is you claiming something that is just not found in the verse I quoted? Do you comprehend the definition of "gift" because if you did you's then know a "gift" is a free will offering both in the OT and the NT.Paul is writing about the works of the Law of Moses. No person is saved by doing the works of the Law of Moses.
The choice is yours, God is not making you behave the way you are behaving. Stop blaming God. Square circles is fiction solid liquid is reality, you have heard of ice haven't you?
I wonder can I block a mod?
So you believe that you are one of God's chosen? And that nothing you do will make any difference at all regarding your salvation?
Why is freewill a contradiction to the attributes of God? Why are you limiting God? You do understand the concept of all powerful don't you?Just as square circles are fiction because they are a logical contradiction, so is human free will a contradiction to the attributes of God.
H2O which is water can be a vapour, a fluid substance (which is often called liquid), or a gas. When does H2O stop being any of these?Liquid h2o is called water. Solid h2o is called ice. See the difference?
What you say you say doesn't always agree with what you type. When you say we don't have freewill or that God created Evil or that Adam and Eve were created by God with a nature that enabled them to Sin the logical conclusion is that God is the cause of it. He is the almighty, he is Omnipotent, we cannot go against his will, so he is the cause of the problem. That is the logical conclusion of your posts.I've already said I don't blame God.
I'm not implying anything about myself at all. I am saying your posts are written in such a way that the only possible outcome is that God is at fault and is the problem with creation.I think you're implying though that if you believed as I did, then you would blame God...and I could understand why mean Armenians would do so...but I don't see it that way.
I don't know about the other 7 odd billion people on this blue ball we call earth but I am not governed by "a nature", I am certainly influenced by it but it does not govern me. If it did I would be a robot or a puppet.God gave me and you a heart and a nature...did He not? Are we not governed by said nature?
That is not proof, that is a hypothetical created by western thought patterns. In answer your flawed proof being willing to do something and being able to do it are 2 different things. I can will myself to do anything, whether it works or not is a different matter. Do you see the difference?Here's the proof: Why don't you simply will yourself to stop sinning, if your will is actually free?
Why is freewill a contradiction to the attributes of God? Why are you limiting God? You do understand the concept of all powerful don't you?
H2O which is water can be a vapour, a fluid substance (which is often called liquid), or a gas. When does H2O stop being any of these?
What you say you say doesn't always agree with what you type. When you say we don't have freewill or that God created Evil or that Adam and Eve were created by God with a nature that enabled them to Sin the logical conclusion is that God is the cause of it. He is the almighty, he is Omnipotent, we cannot go against his will, so he is the cause of the problem. That is the logical conclusion of your posts.
I'm not implying anything about myself at all. I am saying your posts are written in such a way that the only possible outcome is that God is at fault and is the problem with creation.
Do I need to link to those verses again? Nah I'll just type it up "Your ways are not God's ways, your thoughts are not God's thoughts". Do you see the difference?
I fail to see why you bring up mean Armenians.
I don't know about the other 7 odd billion people on this blue ball we call earth but I am not governed by "a nature", I am certainly influenced by it but it does not govern me. If it did I would be a robot or a puppet.
That is not proof, that is a hypothetical created by western thought patterns. In answer your flawed proof being willing to do something and being able to do it are 2 different
things. I can will myself to do anything, whether it works or not is a different matter. Do you see the difference?
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